The following appeared in the Dallas Morning News on Nov. 18:
1. Comment by NightHawk P. (NightHawk)— November 22,2009 @ 3:18AM
Ratings:-3+47
The only thing wrong with the immigration system is illegals come under it. They should be taken back from under their laws, and placed back under normal laws. Then gathered up and have finger prints taken along with a sample of their DNA. That way none of them can become a U.S. citizen, and it would be easy to ID them. If caught again after being deported from our Country they would be required to do two years of repairing and cleaning up damage from illegals. Before leaving again on foot this time.
2. Comment by Frances N. (Nita)— November 22,2009 @ 5:00AM
Ratings:-3+47
The Feds havent enforced immigration laws for the last twenty plus years.That is why we have more than twenty million illegal aliens in this country.There is no double wall on our Southern border although Congress voted for one. I cant see any reason to trust Congress and the White House if they promise to secure the border and to stop illegal immigration after another mass amnesty.
Deport the illegal aliens here and jail their employers. That is the only acceptable immigration reform in these tough economic times.
3. Comment by Mason C. (Azson43)— November 22,2009 @ 5:26AM
Ratings:-3+40
They need to end and resend citizenship to any illegals babies born here or shuck across and to have one here.
They need to change the SS card into a national ID. It's basically one now.
www.numbersusa.com is fighting for your jobs.
5. Comment by Karen B. (Cats Our Us)— November 22,2009 @ 7:05AM
Ratings:-6+39
"Since illegal immigrants come here looking for work, she says, the bill will seek stiffer punishments for employers who hire them"
Why then did you stop enforcing E-Verify?
Nappy stopped enforcing E-Verify because it was starting to work, illegals denied jobs were packing up and moving back south which translates to less votes for the democrats.
Now Nappy wants is to believe she will actually enforce the laws she has been ignoring?
6. Comment by Jefferson C. (commandermarcos)— November 22,2009 @ 7:21AM
Ratings:-1+36
No matter how "tough" or long is Napolitano's path to naturalization, it will allow illegals to remain in the country while the pursue it. That makes it a de facto amnesty.
That is how it will be interpreted by potential immigrants, and the mere prospect of this policy becoming law will incite many people to head north. This is exactly what happened when Simpson-Rodino was being debated in 1985-86, and INS detention statistics prove it.
7. Comment by francis w. (6565)— November 22,2009 @ 7:30AM
Ratings:-1+35
Tough laws mean nothing when there is no will to enforce them. "Comprehensive", when it comes to immigration law, will still mean "amnesty" for millions of illegals.
8. Comment by Donald H. (2161)— November 22,2009 @ 7:36AM
Ratings:-1+28
Until our government can prove immigration law enforcement, it makes no sense to consider immigration law reforms. The idea being, if the government cannot enfoce the laws it has already made, it most certainly cannot enforce any new immigration laws. As long as our country has borders, those borders must be enforced to preserve our country!
10. Comment by c b. (race)— November 22,2009 @ 8:01AM
Ratings:-14+10
Political guts ?? How about an agenda based on securing votes and expanding your power.Tell it like it is... please !
There should be reform... and a fair but firm 10 year plan to assimilate the good immigrants who earn their way through a deliberate and difficult process.If you don't jump through the hoops or you choose not to participate or cooperate then jail,blacklisting and deportation are fair game to weed out those who really want it and those who don't.No free passes,no government assistance,no crimes and taxes fully paid are the minimum standards and you have to speak and read our societies chosen language.
If you do this...welcome aboard we are gald to have you !
11. Comment by Fred B. (whuh)— November 22,2009 @ 8:13AM
Ratings:-2+24
"She wants a tighter law to punish illegal immigrants"
Deportation isn't "tight" enough ? Is she thinking flights to Antartica ?
"and the employers who hire them"
Haven't heard of any of those meat-packing companies or others that were caught with illegals being shut down and their owners thrown in jail for 10-20. Do that once or twice, the employment situation might resolve itself nicely.
"improved measures to encourage migrants to choose the legal route"
Uhhh...maybe expand E-verify to everyone talking to any State Government about anything and anyone renting an apartment, registering at MVD. Oh forgot. E-verify was ineffective like a wall would be. That's why they were both stopped in lieu of Highway checkpoints.
"and a "tough but fair" pathway for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. to legalize their status"
"Are you sorry ?" "Are you really, really sorry ?" "SORRY?!?"
"Okay you're in."
13. Comment by sandra f. (azrabbit)— November 22,2009 @ 8:24AM
Ratings:-6+21
Obama and his friends are pathetic excuses for leaders. They are in the process of destroying everything our ancestors have worked for for nearly 400 years. But, they are doing it in record time, so I guess that's something. . .
14. Comment by David D. (Dave D)— November 22,2009 @ 8:40AM
Ratings:-3+15
I am so happy to see that the “estimate” is back down to 12 Million; Napolitano and Obama are making progress in immigration reform. Under Bush, the estimate was always climbing.
I guess that the estimators running the immigration reform scam for the Bush administration were including some of the family members of the illegally employed border hoppers.
Obama’s Admin must be counting on allowing ignorant, unskilled workers to follow the yellow brick road to citizenship while sending their twenty, or so, family members back to their homelands.
Like the “Healthcare Bill”, the numbers cannot lie; to every proposal that contains a purely emotional argument (the hallmark of liberal rationale), there are savings to be realized for the good of our country.
15. Comment by Bruno O. (one.bruno)— November 22,2009 @ 8:52AM
Ratings:-1+19
Ridiculous. Exactly how would you go about determining the back taxes owed? How about including education costs for any child brought here by or born to llegals or health care and other stolen benefits?
The damage to the fabric of law is the greatest harm - a corrupting influence.
Think Mexico. The drug cartels will love it.
And BOTH parties are complicit in this travesty. The corporations are trying to bring down the wages and turn us into a "globally competitive " country - can you spell third world? They are not much better than the cartels.
And the ethno-centric groups are just as bad - where is their loyalty to the US and who is funding them?
And what about those Mexican dual citizens. Who are they? Legislators, judges, government officials? Again, a corrupting influence- no man can serve two masters.
Our country is being damaged, perhaps irreversibly.
16. Comment by David D. (Dave D)— November 22,2009 @ 8:55AM
Ratings:-3+18
“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” defined: Hate speech directed against the legal population of the United States of America.
Since Obama continues his apology tours of the world, we must demand that this country give up its false pretenses that are too apparent in our contributions to foreign aid and to the World Food Programme of the U.N.:
17. Comment by michael s. (arizona native)— November 22,2009 @ 10:53AM
Ratings:-0+16
In 2007 the American people spoke out and said we don't want amnesty and it worked. I guess we will have to do it again. Congress, can you hear me now.
18. Comment by Richard O. (taicho1)— November 22,2009 @ 11:24AM
Ratings:-2+14
I agree that illegal immigrants should be deported. But I don't agree that it is the BOrder Patrols fault. It is our polititions who allowed the illegals in and are maintaning them.
There are two elements to Feds. Government employees and polititions. Government employees do things the way the polititions direct them to.
19. Comment by Frank G. (goudy1)— November 22,2009 @ 12:06PM
Ratings:-1+8
This article is a joke orignally printed as an editoiral in a pro amensty/open border newspaper.
Obama is doing as little as he can to deport illegals. ICE raids on employers result in illegals not being detained and thus not deported. Federal/State/local progams asuch as 287g which are supposed to provide cooperation to deport illegals is being slowly strangled into non-existence.
Obama has a defacto law policy of doing very little while lyng to the American public through half-truths. And good ole Nappy is his willing co-conspirator.
Meanwhile he still sending a message to "come on over" nothing will be done and eventually I (Obama) will give you amnesty.
That is the reality and any moderately informed person knows it. Natually, those amnesty/open border advocates think he is doing a great job. As Goober use to say "Surprise, Surprise."
21. Comment by James S. (RyanStickley)— November 22,2009 @ 12:12PM
Ratings:-0+6
#18,
Politicians don't patrol the border.
Politicians don't assign agents to particular sectors.
I will agree that there is some blame to be laid on politicians for the problem though, because they have restricted and constrained the BP and consistently taken the side of the illegals whenever something winds up in court.
If we had tough immigration laws (not "politically correct" ones) and then allowed (nee demanded) the Border Patrol and I.C.E. to enforce them, we'd have about 20 million less illegal aliens in this country.
22. Comment by Don M. (saffronbindy)— November 22,2009 @ 1:49PM
Ratings:-2+1
15. Comment by Bruno O. (one.bruno) — writes:
"And what about those Mexican dual citizens. Who are they? Legislators, judges, government officials? Again, a corrupting influence- no man can serve two masters."
Actually, Bruno, there aren't many of them. I know the paranoid border watching crowd likes to think there are millions of dual citizen secret agents wandering around waiting to do us in. There aren't.
First, the US does not recognize dual citizenship except for Israel because they got a special law passed for them. I don't think we need to worry much about our dual US-Israeli citizens (there are actually a good number of them). As a side note, the reason Israel has special status is this. When Israel was formed in 1948 few countries would honor their passports. So we just granted them US citizenship, as a group. That way they could travel on US passports.
Back to US-Mexico dual citizens. The official State Department statement on this says such dual citizenship is not "enabled" in US law but it is "tolerated." The main problem is that Mexico requires compulsory military service for all male citizens, dual or not. So nearly all dual US-Mexico male citizens renounce their Mexican citizenship before they turn 18. Another problem is Mexico requires all citizens, dual or not, to pay income taxes. So, if you are a dual US-Mexico citizen living in the US you have to pay them.
Under US law a dual US-Mexican citizen is considered a Mexican. If you are charged with a crime you will be charged as a Mexican national. If you are convicted of it you are likely to be deported there.
Finally, if you were born before 1998 you can't be a dual US-Mexican citizen because Mexican law doesn't allow it (although if you were born before 1998 you can apply to Mexico to restore your citizenship). Then, Mexico doesn't recognize dual citizenship at all. Since 1998 they recognize dual nationalities. Nationality and citizenship are two completely different things. All nationality buys you is the right to carry a Mexican passport. You are not protected by Mexican laws.
The last count I saw on dual US-Mexican citizens said there were a few thousand of them living here, probably less than 30,000.
23. Comment by Dennis D. (Decubed)— November 22,2009 @ 2:19PM
Ratings:-0+9
NO AMNESTY! All immigration must be legal and follow the rules. If not, then we are discriminating against those that seek (or have sought) entry legally by waiting their turn, filing the necessary and paying the fees. Proximity doesn't make anyone more deserving. The US MUST accept everyone that knocks at the front door. And reject those that try to sneek through the pet entrance out back.
24. Comment by Bruno O. (one.bruno)— November 22,2009 @ 2:56PM
Ratings:-0+2
#22 - Don - I don't know if your statements are correct because trying to find info on this is next to impossible.
Also, the law was extended later (in 2003?) - to include what?
And - according to your comment, women do not have to serve in the military in Mexico so that is not a deterrent for them and to be a dual citizen only one of your parents needs to be born in Mexico.
Again, I would like to know who they are, not a number - are they in positions that can influence our laws or involved with ethnocentric group policy? I know many voted in the Mexican elections some years ago.
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Bound and determined on immigration revamp
The following appeared in the Dallas Morning News on Nov. 18:The only thing wrong with the immigration system is illegals come under it. They should be taken back from under their laws, and placed back under normal laws. Then gathered up and have finger prints taken along with a sample of their DNA. That way none of them can become a U.S. citizen, and it would be easy to ID them. If caught again after being deported from our Country they would be required to do two years of repairing and cleaning up damage from illegals. Before leaving again on foot this time.
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The Feds havent enforced immigration laws for the last twenty plus years.That is why we have more than twenty million illegal aliens in this country.There is no double wall on our Southern border although Congress voted for one. I cant see any reason to trust Congress and the White House if they promise to secure the border and to stop illegal immigration after another mass amnesty.
Deport the illegal aliens here and jail their employers. That is the only acceptable immigration reform in these tough economic times.
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They need to end and resend citizenship to any illegals babies born here or shuck across and to have one here.
They need to change the SS card into a national ID. It's basically one now.
www.numbersusa.com is fighting for your jobs.
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The illegals who are here might as well go home. The American people have had it with them.
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"Since illegal immigrants come here looking for work, she says, the bill will seek stiffer punishments for employers who hire them"
Why then did you stop enforcing E-Verify?
Nappy stopped enforcing E-Verify because it was starting to work, illegals denied jobs were packing up and moving back south which translates to less votes for the democrats.
Now Nappy wants is to believe she will actually enforce the laws she has been ignoring?
BALDERDASH!
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No matter how "tough" or long is Napolitano's path to naturalization, it will allow illegals to remain in the country while the pursue it. That makes it a de facto amnesty.
That is how it will be interpreted by potential immigrants, and the mere prospect of this policy becoming law will incite many people to head north. This is exactly what happened when Simpson-Rodino was being debated in 1985-86, and INS detention statistics prove it.
Report this comment
Tough laws mean nothing when there is no will to enforce them. "Comprehensive", when it comes to immigration law, will still mean "amnesty" for millions of illegals.
Report this comment
Until our government can prove immigration law enforcement, it makes no sense to consider immigration law reforms. The idea being, if the government cannot enfoce the laws it has already made, it most certainly cannot enforce any new immigration laws. As long as our country has borders, those borders must be enforced to preserve our country!
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Amnesty for immigration lawbreakers = discrimination against law-abiding U.S. citizens.
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Political guts ?? How about an agenda based on securing votes and expanding your power.Tell it like it is... please !
There should be reform... and a fair but firm 10 year plan to assimilate the good immigrants who earn their way through a deliberate and difficult process.If you don't jump through the hoops or you choose not to participate or cooperate then jail,blacklisting and deportation are fair game to weed out those who really want it and those who don't.No free passes,no government assistance,no crimes and taxes fully paid are the minimum standards and you have to speak and read our societies chosen language.
If you do this...welcome aboard we are gald to have you !
Report this comment
"She wants a tighter law to punish illegal immigrants"
Deportation isn't "tight" enough ? Is she thinking flights to Antartica ?
"and the employers who hire them"
Haven't heard of any of those meat-packing companies or others that were caught with illegals being shut down and their owners thrown in jail for 10-20. Do that once or twice, the employment situation might resolve itself nicely.
"improved measures to encourage migrants to choose the legal route"
Uhhh...maybe expand E-verify to everyone talking to any State Government about anything and anyone renting an apartment, registering at MVD. Oh forgot. E-verify was ineffective like a wall would be. That's why they were both stopped in lieu of Highway checkpoints.
"and a "tough but fair" pathway for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. to legalize their status"
"Are you sorry ?" "Are you really, really sorry ?" "SORRY?!?"
"Okay you're in."
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Amnesty - next on the list after ObamaCare™
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Obama and his friends are pathetic excuses for leaders. They are in the process of destroying everything our ancestors have worked for for nearly 400 years. But, they are doing it in record time, so I guess that's something. . .
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I am so happy to see that the “estimate” is back down to 12 Million; Napolitano and Obama are making progress in immigration reform. Under Bush, the estimate was always climbing.
I guess that the estimators running the immigration reform scam for the Bush administration were including some of the family members of the illegally employed border hoppers.
Obama’s Admin must be counting on allowing ignorant, unskilled workers to follow the yellow brick road to citizenship while sending their twenty, or so, family members back to their homelands.
Like the “Healthcare Bill”, the numbers cannot lie; to every proposal that contains a purely emotional argument (the hallmark of liberal rationale), there are savings to be realized for the good of our country.
Report this comment
Ridiculous. Exactly how would you go about determining the back taxes owed? How about including education costs for any child brought here by or born to llegals or health care and other stolen benefits?
The damage to the fabric of law is the greatest harm - a corrupting influence.
Think Mexico. The drug cartels will love it.
And BOTH parties are complicit in this travesty. The corporations are trying to bring down the wages and turn us into a "globally competitive " country - can you spell third world? They are not much better than the cartels.
And the ethno-centric groups are just as bad - where is their loyalty to the US and who is funding them?
And what about those Mexican dual citizens. Who are they? Legislators, judges, government officials? Again, a corrupting influence- no man can serve two masters.
Our country is being damaged, perhaps irreversibly.
Report this comment
“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” defined: Hate speech directed against the legal population of the United States of America.
Since Obama continues his apology tours of the world, we must demand that this country give up its false pretenses that are too apparent in our contributions to foreign aid and to the World Food Programme of the U.N.:
http://www.wfp.org/node/5539
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In 2007 the American people spoke out and said we don't want amnesty and it worked. I guess we will have to do it again. Congress, can you hear me now.
Report this comment
I agree that illegal immigrants should be deported. But I don't agree that it is the BOrder Patrols fault. It is our polititions who allowed the illegals in and are maintaning them.
There are two elements to Feds. Government employees and polititions. Government employees do things the way the polititions direct them to.
Report this comment
This article is a joke orignally printed as an editoiral in a pro amensty/open border newspaper.
Obama is doing as little as he can to deport illegals. ICE raids on employers result in illegals not being detained and thus not deported. Federal/State/local progams asuch as 287g which are supposed to provide cooperation to deport illegals is being slowly strangled into non-existence.
Obama has a defacto law policy of doing very little while lyng to the American public through half-truths. And good ole Nappy is his willing co-conspirator.
Meanwhile he still sending a message to "come on over" nothing will be done and eventually I (Obama) will give you amnesty.
That is the reality and any moderately informed person knows it. Natually, those amnesty/open border advocates think he is doing a great job. As Goober use to say "Surprise, Surprise."
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Bound and determined on immigration revamp
Should read:
Bound and determined on amnesty
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#18,
Politicians don't patrol the border.
Politicians don't assign agents to particular sectors.
I will agree that there is some blame to be laid on politicians for the problem though, because they have restricted and constrained the BP and consistently taken the side of the illegals whenever something winds up in court.
If we had tough immigration laws (not "politically correct" ones) and then allowed (nee demanded) the Border Patrol and I.C.E. to enforce them, we'd have about 20 million less illegal aliens in this country.
Report this comment
15. Comment by Bruno O. (one.bruno) — writes:
"And what about those Mexican dual citizens. Who are they? Legislators, judges, government officials? Again, a corrupting influence- no man can serve two masters."
Actually, Bruno, there aren't many of them. I know the paranoid border watching crowd likes to think there are millions of dual citizen secret agents wandering around waiting to do us in. There aren't.
First, the US does not recognize dual citizenship except for Israel because they got a special law passed for them. I don't think we need to worry much about our dual US-Israeli citizens (there are actually a good number of them). As a side note, the reason Israel has special status is this. When Israel was formed in 1948 few countries would honor their passports. So we just granted them US citizenship, as a group. That way they could travel on US passports.
Back to US-Mexico dual citizens. The official State Department statement on this says such dual citizenship is not "enabled" in US law but it is "tolerated." The main problem is that Mexico requires compulsory military service for all male citizens, dual or not. So nearly all dual US-Mexico male citizens renounce their Mexican citizenship before they turn 18. Another problem is Mexico requires all citizens, dual or not, to pay income taxes. So, if you are a dual US-Mexico citizen living in the US you have to pay them.
Under US law a dual US-Mexican citizen is considered a Mexican. If you are charged with a crime you will be charged as a Mexican national. If you are convicted of it you are likely to be deported there.
Finally, if you were born before 1998 you can't be a dual US-Mexican citizen because Mexican law doesn't allow it (although if you were born before 1998 you can apply to Mexico to restore your citizenship). Then, Mexico doesn't recognize dual citizenship at all. Since 1998 they recognize dual nationalities. Nationality and citizenship are two completely different things. All nationality buys you is the right to carry a Mexican passport. You are not protected by Mexican laws.
The last count I saw on dual US-Mexican citizens said there were a few thousand of them living here, probably less than 30,000.
Report this comment
NO AMNESTY! All immigration must be legal and follow the rules. If not, then we are discriminating against those that seek (or have sought) entry legally by waiting their turn, filing the necessary and paying the fees. Proximity doesn't make anyone more deserving. The US MUST accept everyone that knocks at the front door. And reject those that try to sneek through the pet entrance out back.
Report this comment
#22 - Don - I don't know if your statements are correct because trying to find info on this is next to impossible.
Also, the law was extended later (in 2003?) - to include what?
And - according to your comment, women do not have to serve in the military in Mexico so that is not a deterrent for them and to be a dual citizen only one of your parents needs to be born in Mexico.
Again, I would like to know who they are, not a number - are they in positions that can influence our laws or involved with ethnocentric group policy? I know many voted in the Mexican elections some years ago.
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Let us not confuse border security with immigration reform.
I am not sure we have a immigration problem. Just becaus it is slower than most people would like.
No to granting illegals a preference over the folks that are on a waiting list and done it the right way.
Punish business that allow illegals to work
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I'd rather have Jose mowing my lawn than Mohammed planting bombs.
At least the Mexican illegals are not out to kill all of us.
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id thieves only get a nod and a wink
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#26
Mow your own lawn like I do! Then you won't need Jose!
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