PHOENIX — The White House said Friday that more than 12,000 jobs were saved or created in Arizona because of President Obama's economic stimulus plan, and Gov. Jan Brewer said most were ones saved in education, despite the state's deep budget troubles.
1. Comment by CHRIS J. (HORQUILLA)— October 31,2009 @ 12:43AM
Ratings:-12+52
Massive government spending programs only offer Americans false hope. Solely designed to treat the symptoms of our current economic problems, they do not effectively deal with the underlying causes of these problems. Any jobs created by these efforts will be temporary and will vanish once the money has been spent.
How does trillions of dollars of unsustainable government spending over an indefinite period of time solve our nation’s economic crisis? It only increases our national debt at a time, when it was our reliance on credit and debt that precipitated the problem in the first place. It’s like throwing gasoline on a fire in an effort to extinguish the flames. Does this really make any sense? The truth be told, current economic recovery efforts are just a continuation of an ongoing Ponzi scheme, which has been promoted by politicians of both political parties over the last several decades. They have told and continue to assure the citizens of this nation that we can have it all without regard to who is actually going pay for these excesses when the bills finally become due.
The real cause of America's economic crisis is our inability with live within our means. Real solutions to the current economic crisis will require substantial changes in how America conducts its business at home and abroad. If we were able to substantially reduce our nation’s huge trade deficit, it would result in the injection of hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy, which would otherwise be diverted overseas. One of the best economic stimulus projects, which our nation could employ to help resolve the severe economic crisis, would not cost the American tax payer a single dollar nor would it add a single dollar to our national debt. It would involve lifting self-imposed barriers placed on us at the behest of special interest groups, which have only increased America’s dependence on foreign imports and severely impeded our ability to be more self-sufficient. Only through the revival of the wealth producing sectors of our economy will the healthy, stable foundation of our economic system will be restored.
2. Comment by CHRIS J. (HORQUILLA)— October 31,2009 @ 12:47AM
Ratings:-17+42
Considering the state of our nation’s economy, there are still some in our community including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and Congressman Raul Grijalva, who have repeatedly stated that the good paying jobs, which would be offered by the Rosemont copper project as well as many additional jobs that would indirectly result from this activity, are neither needed nor wanted by our community. Instead of forcing our businesses to move their operations overseas, its time that our representatives in Washington support these efforts to put Arizonans back to work. It’s better than depending on meager handouts from the federal government, which only increase our national debt at the expense of future generations.
Large mining projects of this type are capable of pumping massive amounts of capital into the communities, where they operate. According to a recent independent study published by the Arizona Department of Mines and Mineral Resources and Arizona State University, the Rosemont project will result in an annual economic benefit to Pima and Santa Cruz counties of $745 million over the twenty year life of the mine and will also create of 2,000 new jobs for our community.
Now that is exactly the type of economic stimulus package that our community needs and when done in compliance with strict federal, state and local laws and regulations, it will not cost the American taxpayer a single dime.
3. Comment by CHRIS J. (HORQUILLA)— October 31,2009 @ 12:57AM
Ratings:-16+45
With unemployment nearing 10%, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords supports legislation that will result in a significant increase of cheap foreign labor that is permitted to come to our country under the H-1B visa program and compete with unemployed Americans for the few job opportunities that remain in this country.
We must not let this happen. The voters need to send Congresswoman Giffords her pink slip in November 2010.
4. Comment by willy b. (higgsboson)— October 31,2009 @ 1:54AM
Ratings:-13+41
What an utter wast of money. It would have just been cheaper to pay these people a salary from Obie's bailout.
5. Comment by Pat A. (engrpat)— October 31,2009 @ 5:10AM
Ratings:-10+47
Since most of the jobs saved are in education what happens next year when we don't have the stimulus money to cover these jobs? Seems to be to me a cruel joke on the states. Next year they will be forced to come up with even more money to cover these jobs.
6. Comment by larry r. (twouall)— October 31,2009 @ 5:35AM
Ratings:-9+36
IT's almost like the the cut and burn that the people in the amazons use ?the politicians will destroy the taxpayer,by waisting this money.They will cut and burn our wonderful country a little bit at a time ,till we have nothing.
7. Comment by larry r. (twouall)— October 31,2009 @ 5:35AM
Ratings:-7+11
IT's almost like the the cut and burn that the people in the amazons use ?the politicians will destroy the taxpayer,by waisting this money.They will cut and burn our wonderful country a little bit at a time ,till we have nothing.
9. Comment by Dale V. (dvh4)— October 31,2009 @ 5:58AM
Ratings:-8+35
Figures lie and liars figure.
What happens when the snow job is over?
What we need are jobs that can pay the taxes to pay back the money being spent now.
Guess what folks, the real jobs are gone. The government is doing nothing but spending any future tax revenue collected.
As I said what happens when the snow job is over?
10. Comment by jeff m. (jmosk)— October 31,2009 @ 5:58AM
Ratings:-8+17
The US Government's job in times of severe recession is to ensure that people in this country have jobs in order to pay bills in order to support the overall economy until the recovery becomes self sustaining. I agree that much of the stimulus spent so far is wasteful and we need REAL long term solutions to create jobs and reverse what is the biggest economic disaster this great country has seen in over 70 years. First, here are the facts and they are scary (halloween or not)... the real unemployment rate in this country is approaching 10% (arizona 9.3%) but a better measure of how bad things are, the U-6 measure of unemployment, which includes those marginally attached, and working for economic reasons is 17%. That means 1 in every 6 people in the US cannot find work or is underemployed (ie-would work more if they had the chance). Fact- as of Oct 3rd there are 10 million people receiving unemployment insurance or extended benefits due to government programs, which is unprecedented. What I am getting at is the gentleman with comments above (Chris) has a point. The Rosemont Mine will clearly create direct jobs to skilled workers producing real output for the Arizona economy, as well as indirect jobs to support the local economy (the restaurants, drug stores, etc to support the workers). Arizona's expected 2010 budget deficit is expected to be $1.5 billion. The benefits of this mine are expected to be $745 million annually for 20 years! The alternatives to close budget deficits are laying off more state workers, teachers, etc. I am all in favor of saving the environment, but I think we have to be realists here and understand the gravity of the current situation and start ensuring our elected officials support policies that make sense for the state- creating good paying jobs (instead of the all-enduring Washington policy of "kicking the can down the road" to avoid making hard decisions in order to continue to keep their offices). I support the Rosemont Mine as it is one project that can help our children enjoy a higher standard of living.
DeSeve and Bernstein were not able to say how many of the 640,329 jobs were saved and how many were created. How do they know that government officials asking for stimulus funds to help prevent layoffs were legitimate?
12. Comment by J T. (Tuttle)— October 31,2009 @ 6:08AM
Ratings:-6+28
I don't profess to be an economist. In fact Economics was the only course that gave me a tough time in college. Having said that, it doesn't take an economist to see that if you are focusing on supposed "shovel ready" jobs, that you are only employing people for a finite amount of time. Once that project has been completed, the job goes away unless there is more money there for more projects.
This is what happens when you give $800 billion to power mad politicians only interested in maintaining a political majority.
We should have focused on long term job creation, and I am not talking about government jobs.
16. Comment by Robert R. (villageview)— October 31,2009 @ 6:33AM
Ratings:-4+13
Tucson has the best Mexican food in the southwest. I think we need our congressmen to apply for stimulis monies to export this great cultural culinary to the diasdvantaged communities such as El Paso and Sante Fe. and to strenghed their base and feed us all
19. Comment by Hilda G. (Hilda)— October 31,2009 @ 6:57AM
Ratings:-17+14
The stiumulus is a joke. Why would anyone think short term jobs would last?
The Rosemont mine,by the way, would create few jobs, when considering the jobs that would be lost as a result of the mine. More importantly, very few want a huge open pit copper mine at this location in the Santa Ritas.
20. Comment by Alean S. (allistoops)— October 31,2009 @ 7:05AM
Ratings:-8+21
If we don't call our senators everyday to let them know we will be voting and we do not want Acorn to start receiving billion of our tax dollars again on Nov first and No government health care.They will do just that.
21. Comment by Phillip D. (pdavid)— October 31,2009 @ 7:18AM
Ratings:-10+9
JT,
" Once that project has been completed, the job goes away unless there is more money there for more projects. "
Stimulus is not Permulus...infusion of money is not supposed to directly create permanent jobs, but instead to stimulate short-term demand, which hopefully will be enough to get us over the hump and lead to longer term demand which is the motor that drives our economy.
Our economy is Demand Driven. No demand, nothing is produced, served, and nobody is employed.
No job equals no demand. At least the stimulus is enough to keep some people paying their mortgage and buying groceries. If there is enough demand, the grocery store will hire a few more employees...let's hope so.
22. Comment by Rod S. (W Dejavu)— October 31,2009 @ 7:22AM
Ratings:-17+4
You have the fellow pushing rosmont as good jobs, and everyone else complaining about the congress; that at least, did something, and is held back by all the no sayers. "just saying no" is not the answer here.
23. Comment by Phillip D. (pdavid)— October 31,2009 @ 7:23AM
Ratings:-12+5
JT,
"We should have focused on long term job creation, and I am not talking about government jobs."
What is that?
Since all consumer products are now made in cheap labor markets -- Mexico, Philipinnes, China, Honduras, etc-- what hope is there?
Maybe our only hope is new smart energy technology. What's the only thing other countries can't produce cheaper than us?
A new energy grid....new solar energy parks...windmills...these are the only thing I can think of that can't be made somewhere else for cheaper right now.
What other possibility is there for creation of long term jobs? Besides health care for our aging population, and education for our kids?
24. Comment by John B. (JohnBravado2)— October 31,2009 @ 7:55AM
Ratings:-2+11
The best part of this story is the fact that most of the jobs saved through the stimulus were teaching jobs. I guess everyone forgot about the great state debacle where they gave the schools 250k before receiving the stimulus and then were going to use that stimulus money elsewhere when they got it. However the stimulus money HAD to go to schools so they schools got 500k instead of the proposed 250k. I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that 12000 jobs mainly education got saved.
25. Comment by Art H. (sandbags)— October 31,2009 @ 8:04AM
Ratings:-7+17
Economists will tell you that there is no metric for "jobs saved" in their discipline. There are only jobs. The only thing that counts is how many. And how many have been lost. That number now stands at 3.3 million. and counting.
anybody who buy into the Obama BS deserves what they get. Unfortunately, they are taking the rest of us on that same suicide ride.
26. Comment by Barbara H. (BarHin)— October 31,2009 @ 8:13AM
Ratings:-18+7
Always nice to see a handfull of TEA lovers up so early in the morning.
I voted early and I voted AGAINST the Tea Party all the way as far as the candidates go and I'll do it again next year as well.
28. Comment by Randi L. (RandiL4746)— October 31,2009 @ 8:23AM
Ratings:-7+18
This just in:
The white house has been using the help of a vodoo queen in south Lousiana for help in predicting economic numbers.
The science behind the government's numbers cannot be found in actual numbers, or even science. It can be found in tea leaves, chicken bones, and reading entrials.
Stand by for further reports on how many hundreds of thousands of jobs the Great One has saved...
NOTE: If you are a media outlet, you will be directed on what to report on this at a later date...
36. Comment by Matt P. (Mpiorkow)— October 31,2009 @ 10:35AM
Ratings:-2+15
Yet another Obama Failure.
If Obama was a Football team, he would be at the bottom of his confrence with all the failures he has quarterbacked this year.
Like the Phoenix Coyotes in Hockey, he would be filing Bankruptcy with the bad decisions he & his Administration has made.
38. Comment by Bev M. (Bev4824)— October 31,2009 @ 10:44AM
Ratings:-4+18
I am an Independent----but I am voting a straight Republican ticket in 2010 and 2012.
At this point in our country---and based on the current Democrats and their policies----a vote for any Democrat is a vote toward destroying our economy, culture, states, and country!!!
Whether it be the Obamacare nightmare, Cap and Tax Energy Bill, the illegal invassion, the Copenhagen Treaty, etc.----any elected Democrat will just hasten the destruction of our country!!!
40. Comment by Austin S. (ARSwedberg)— October 31,2009 @ 11:14AM
Ratings:-3+13
#35,
What "earth" were you living on from 2001 to 2007?
As I seem to recall, it's been pointed out numerous times that we, as a nation and as individuals were doing pretty damned good until 2007 (once the democRATS had control of congress).
Did your job go in the toilet January 21, 2001?
Did your home go into foreclosure January 21, 2001?
Did your savings disappear January 21, 2001?
Did your retirement disappear January 21, 2001?
If you answered no to any or all of these (most likely the latter) then your claim: "the mess it took Dick-n-Dubya eight years to create."
Is about as credible as the "millions of jobs saved or created" by Oblah-blah-blah's so-called stimulus.
41. Comment by Merry S. (steelbreeze)— October 31,2009 @ 12:03PM
Ratings:-2+16
The White House has to say SOMETHING in a feeble attempt to make itself look good. The Obummer administration is a JOKE, and there's nothing funny about it. This guy & his henchmen and women are sending American down the tubes. This crap has to STOP.
44. Comment by T S. (shado)— October 31,2009 @ 4:20PM
Ratings:-2+3
#35 No, I didn't think the newly elected president could "fix" the economy in nine months...but I did hope he'd do alot more than he has to help people keep or get jobs, and it only took Yobama three months to put the country farther into debt with his cocamamey "stimulus" packages. For other comments made: unemployment is the major reason the economy is so bad right now, not living beyond our means. That was one factor causing the downfall of our economy at first, but right now people are not living beyond their means, they are trying to survive. Without jobs people can't spend. So "saving" jobs, mostly in the education area helps those of us out work how?? We need to slow imports down and start industry in our OWN country to put people back to work. Get a broader range of people with degrees...that means going back to school or apprenticeships. Alternative energy and service related jobs would help the middle class which has been hit the hardest. This is the priority, not golf, garden parties, dog birthdays and growing veggies on the whitehouse lawn!!
45. Comment by T S. (shado)— October 31,2009 @ 4:31PM
Ratings:-2+5
I just read the article on Yobama's comments on the economy:
"It is easy to forget that it was only several months ago that the economy was shrinking rapidly and many economists feared another Great Depression."
Uh say what?? Just what constitutes a "depression" to those on capitol hill? He thinks we aren't in one?? Well, there's the problem!!!
"Economic growth is no substitute for job growth," Obama said. "And we will likely see further job losses in the coming days, a fact that is both troubling for our economy and heartbreaking for the men and women who suddenly find themselves out of work. But we will not create the jobs we need unless the economy is growing."
Wow...thank you for letting us know it's going to get even worse. Just how does he think this country will survive with even more folks out of work?? Where does he think the money will come from to buy and spend?? How can the "economy" grow if we're all out of work??? This man is nutz. He's either living in another dimension, growing something other than veggies in that whitehouse garden or just drinkin' way too much beer!!
46. Comment by jeffrey f. (jmfaircloth)— October 31,2009 @ 4:33PM
Ratings:-9+1
It pitiful for all those who blame the nations economy on Obama. This problem started a long time ago. In nine months your expectations are unrealistic. It has been said from the start recovery will not happen very quickly.
Can you imagine the sate of the Union if McCain had won... eeeewww!
49. Comment by Merry S. (steelbreeze)— October 31,2009 @ 5:41PM
Ratings:-3+1
Hey, #47, #46 strikes me as someone who probably doesn't even know what the word "rhetorical" means, let alone attempt to come up with a coherent answer.
50. Comment by jeffrey f. (jmfaircloth)— October 31,2009 @ 5:44PM
Ratings:-4+0
#47 Well....HERMAN! For one thing, it would have been the same old extension of crap of the past 8 years... except with an Arizona tinge. God forbid people have to pay any more in Taxes, have access to affordable healthcare, live in a country that gives protections to people of Hate Crimes and gee perhaps take a less militant stand on foreign affairs. The only thing constant in life is change....And by the # of people who voted for this Administration, they deserve the chance to succeed...
53. Comment by Herman O. (No party affiliation)— October 31,2009 @ 7:37PM
Ratings:-0+2
#50-and you KNOW this how?
How is bho different than gwb? Congress is led by d's for now, so what could change? Out of control spending...stupid policy...debt growing....unemployment climbing.....
yeh, bho is so much much better. how about we get a leader for a change?
You my friend are a extremist that will be the end of this country.
55. Comment by jeffrey f. (jmfaircloth)— October 31,2009 @ 8:14PM
Ratings:-0+0
Sounds to me HERMAN that your so unhappy here, actually you sound miserable. I'm sure you'd find something the matter with anything. Why not try optimism instead of pessimism and be less cynical?Be positive-minded not negative-minded. If you continue to be soooo unhappy, there are always alternatives...
56. Comment by jeffrey f. (jmfaircloth)— October 31,2009 @ 8:20PM
Ratings:-0+0
Oh, and to answer your "question" Yes, I would feel the same because 1) 9 months means little and 2)I'm not for EVERYTHING Obama, but yes many things I am for, Besides, whom ever is in Office I WANT to succeed, because a successful USA is good for all of us...
57. Comment by Texas S. (Rockie)— October 31,2009 @ 8:34PM
Ratings:-2+0
We need to take this country back from Obama and the libs and put this country back on the right track. This includes out lawing abortion, eliminating government, shipping back to Mexico the illegals, outlawing women working, and eliminating all taxes. We need to take our country back by any means.
58. Comment by Bennie M. (meansheep)— October 31,2009 @ 10:04PM
Ratings:-1+0
Re: #57/Rockie:
You forgot making it illegal for women to read the newspaper, getting as many of them barefoot and pregnant, and reverting their status to being nothing more than a man's property.
Too bad that too many of us uppity women are not only armed, but much better shots than men! Get rid of Obama, but keep your antiquated religious beliefs away from my and my doctor's ability to control my own health and well-being. Take back this country from the illegals infiltrating our government and its benefits. Institute a flat tax for everyone (Democratic Congressman and women included) with NO loopholes. Rescind the tax-exempt status of all religious institutions. Since they find it necessary to impose their superstitious beliefs into local, state, and federal laws and regulations, then they can chip in and cough up their fair share in the cost of running this country.
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White House credits 12K AZ jobs to stimulus
PHOENIX — The White House said Friday that more than 12,000 jobs were saved or created in Arizona because of President Obama's economic stimulus plan, and Gov. Jan Brewer said most were ones saved in education, despite the state's deep budget troubles.Massive government spending programs only offer Americans false hope. Solely designed to treat the symptoms of our current economic problems, they do not effectively deal with the underlying causes of these problems. Any jobs created by these efforts will be temporary and will vanish once the money has been spent.
How does trillions of dollars of unsustainable government spending over an indefinite period of time solve our nation’s economic crisis? It only increases our national debt at a time, when it was our reliance on credit and debt that precipitated the problem in the first place. It’s like throwing gasoline on a fire in an effort to extinguish the flames. Does this really make any sense? The truth be told, current economic recovery efforts are just a continuation of an ongoing Ponzi scheme, which has been promoted by politicians of both political parties over the last several decades. They have told and continue to assure the citizens of this nation that we can have it all without regard to who is actually going pay for these excesses when the bills finally become due.
The real cause of America's economic crisis is our inability with live within our means. Real solutions to the current economic crisis will require substantial changes in how America conducts its business at home and abroad. If we were able to substantially reduce our nation’s huge trade deficit, it would result in the injection of hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy, which would otherwise be diverted overseas. One of the best economic stimulus projects, which our nation could employ to help resolve the severe economic crisis, would not cost the American tax payer a single dollar nor would it add a single dollar to our national debt. It would involve lifting self-imposed barriers placed on us at the behest of special interest groups, which have only increased America’s dependence on foreign imports and severely impeded our ability to be more self-sufficient. Only through the revival of the wealth producing sectors of our economy will the healthy, stable foundation of our economic system will be restored.
Considering the state of our nation’s economy, there are still some in our community including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and Congressman Raul Grijalva, who have repeatedly stated that the good paying jobs, which would be offered by the Rosemont copper project as well as many additional jobs that would indirectly result from this activity, are neither needed nor wanted by our community. Instead of forcing our businesses to move their operations overseas, its time that our representatives in Washington support these efforts to put Arizonans back to work. It’s better than depending on meager handouts from the federal government, which only increase our national debt at the expense of future generations.
Large mining projects of this type are capable of pumping massive amounts of capital into the communities, where they operate. According to a recent independent study published by the Arizona Department of Mines and Mineral Resources and Arizona State University, the Rosemont project will result in an annual economic benefit to Pima and Santa Cruz counties of $745 million over the twenty year life of the mine and will also create of 2,000 new jobs for our community.
Now that is exactly the type of economic stimulus package that our community needs and when done in compliance with strict federal, state and local laws and regulations, it will not cost the American taxpayer a single dime.
Link to Article Supporting this statement:
http://www.admmr.state.az.us/Publications/sr24MinProdRosemont.pdf
With unemployment nearing 10%, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords supports legislation that will result in a significant increase of cheap foreign labor that is permitted to come to our country under the H-1B visa program and compete with unemployed Americans for the few job opportunities that remain in this country.
We must not let this happen. The voters need to send Congresswoman Giffords her pink slip in November 2010.
What an utter wast of money. It would have just been cheaper to pay these people a salary from Obie's bailout.
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Since most of the jobs saved are in education what happens next year when we don't have the stimulus money to cover these jobs? Seems to be to me a cruel joke on the states. Next year they will be forced to come up with even more money to cover these jobs.
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IT's almost like the the cut and burn that the people in the amazons use ?the politicians will destroy the taxpayer,by waisting this money.They will cut and burn our wonderful country a little bit at a time ,till we have nothing.
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IT's almost like the the cut and burn that the people in the amazons use ?the politicians will destroy the taxpayer,by waisting this money.They will cut and burn our wonderful country a little bit at a time ,till we have nothing.
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DO our part...DUMP PASTOR, GRIJALVA, AND GABBY IN "10!
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Figures lie and liars figure.
What happens when the snow job is over?
What we need are jobs that can pay the taxes to pay back the money being spent now.
Guess what folks, the real jobs are gone. The government is doing nothing but spending any future tax revenue collected.
As I said what happens when the snow job is over?
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The US Government's job in times of severe recession is to ensure that people in this country have jobs in order to pay bills in order to support the overall economy until the recovery becomes self sustaining. I agree that much of the stimulus spent so far is wasteful and we need REAL long term solutions to create jobs and reverse what is the biggest economic disaster this great country has seen in over 70 years. First, here are the facts and they are scary (halloween or not)... the real unemployment rate in this country is approaching 10% (arizona 9.3%) but a better measure of how bad things are, the U-6 measure of unemployment, which includes those marginally attached, and working for economic reasons is 17%. That means 1 in every 6 people in the US cannot find work or is underemployed (ie-would work more if they had the chance). Fact- as of Oct 3rd there are 10 million people receiving unemployment insurance or extended benefits due to government programs, which is unprecedented. What I am getting at is the gentleman with comments above (Chris) has a point. The Rosemont Mine will clearly create direct jobs to skilled workers producing real output for the Arizona economy, as well as indirect jobs to support the local economy (the restaurants, drug stores, etc to support the workers). Arizona's expected 2010 budget deficit is expected to be $1.5 billion. The benefits of this mine are expected to be $745 million annually for 20 years! The alternatives to close budget deficits are laying off more state workers, teachers, etc. I am all in favor of saving the environment, but I think we have to be realists here and understand the gravity of the current situation and start ensuring our elected officials support policies that make sense for the state- creating good paying jobs (instead of the all-enduring Washington policy of "kicking the can down the road" to avoid making hard decisions in order to continue to keep their offices). I support the Rosemont Mine as it is one project that can help our children enjoy a higher standard of living.
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The whole "jobs created or saved" is one gigantic shell game. It is fuzzy math all over again.
From Jake Tapper's blog on ABC:
DeSeve and Bernstein were not able to say how many of the 640,329 jobs were saved and how many were created. How do they know that government officials asking for stimulus funds to help prevent layoffs were legitimate?
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I don't profess to be an economist. In fact Economics was the only course that gave me a tough time in college. Having said that, it doesn't take an economist to see that if you are focusing on supposed "shovel ready" jobs, that you are only employing people for a finite amount of time. Once that project has been completed, the job goes away unless there is more money there for more projects.
This is what happens when you give $800 billion to power mad politicians only interested in maintaining a political majority.
We should have focused on long term job creation, and I am not talking about government jobs.
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Where's the jobs. Brewer lied again,
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#13,
If you are willing to say that Brewer lied, surely you must be willing to say that obama is lying.
Are you ready to say that? Or is your castigation reserved for only Republicans?
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Government doesn,t solve problems, only create and add to our problems.
I am ready for another election.
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Tucson has the best Mexican food in the southwest. I think we need our congressmen to apply for stimulis monies to export this great cultural culinary to the diasdvantaged communities such as El Paso and Sante Fe. and to strenghed their base and feed us all
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#13,
Are you absolutely certain that the State of Arizona did not follow the reporting requirements set forth by the obama administration?
If so, please provide links showing the reporting requirements, and the report delivered by Arizona.
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At least the program being "Shovel ready" was one thing the Administration was truthful about.
They're certainly out there shoveling it.
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The stiumulus is a joke. Why would anyone think short term jobs would last?
The Rosemont mine,by the way, would create few jobs, when considering the jobs that would be lost as a result of the mine. More importantly, very few want a huge open pit copper mine at this location in the Santa Ritas.
I, too, am looking forward to future elections.
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If we don't call our senators everyday to let them know we will be voting and we do not want Acorn to start receiving billion of our tax dollars again on Nov first and No government health care.They will do just that.
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JT,
" Once that project has been completed, the job goes away unless there is more money there for more projects. "
Stimulus is not Permulus...infusion of money is not supposed to directly create permanent jobs, but instead to stimulate short-term demand, which hopefully will be enough to get us over the hump and lead to longer term demand which is the motor that drives our economy.
Our economy is Demand Driven. No demand, nothing is produced, served, and nobody is employed.
No job equals no demand. At least the stimulus is enough to keep some people paying their mortgage and buying groceries. If there is enough demand, the grocery store will hire a few more employees...let's hope so.
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You have the fellow pushing rosmont as good jobs, and everyone else complaining about the congress; that at least, did something, and is held back by all the no sayers. "just saying no" is not the answer here.
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JT,
"We should have focused on long term job creation, and I am not talking about government jobs."
What is that?
Since all consumer products are now made in cheap labor markets -- Mexico, Philipinnes, China, Honduras, etc-- what hope is there?
Maybe our only hope is new smart energy technology. What's the only thing other countries can't produce cheaper than us?
A new energy grid....new solar energy parks...windmills...these are the only thing I can think of that can't be made somewhere else for cheaper right now.
What other possibility is there for creation of long term jobs? Besides health care for our aging population, and education for our kids?
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The best part of this story is the fact that most of the jobs saved through the stimulus were teaching jobs. I guess everyone forgot about the great state debacle where they gave the schools 250k before receiving the stimulus and then were going to use that stimulus money elsewhere when they got it. However the stimulus money HAD to go to schools so they schools got 500k instead of the proposed 250k. I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that 12000 jobs mainly education got saved.
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Economists will tell you that there is no metric for "jobs saved" in their discipline. There are only jobs. The only thing that counts is how many. And how many have been lost. That number now stands at 3.3 million. and counting.
anybody who buy into the Obama BS deserves what they get. Unfortunately, they are taking the rest of us on that same suicide ride.
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Always nice to see a handfull of TEA lovers up so early in the morning.
I voted early and I voted AGAINST the Tea Party all the way as far as the candidates go and I'll do it again next year as well.
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Wow.
The Critical Conservos, criticizing the positive results of actions set in motion of the Obama administration.
Big shocker there. Who knew?
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This just in:
The white house has been using the help of a vodoo queen in south Lousiana for help in predicting economic numbers.
The science behind the government's numbers cannot be found in actual numbers, or even science. It can be found in tea leaves, chicken bones, and reading entrials.
Stand by for further reports on how many hundreds of thousands of jobs the Great One has saved...
NOTE: If you are a media outlet, you will be directed on what to report on this at a later date...
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Now maybe they will have money to finish a worthless road widening to Safford.
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what happened to all the infrastructure jobs BO promised? nothing, absolutely nothing! BO is too busy being the hostess with the mostest.
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so...if Education recieved all this stimulus money...why do they need an override? Hmm? Vote NO!
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as opposed to Kool-Aid drinking Obamatons who somehow think a NEGATIVE 3.3 Million jobs is a POSITIVE result.
who says our public schools aren't failing us?
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not to mention that humongous budget deficit.
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Could someone please share the mathmatical formua the White House is using when they calculate jobs 'saved'?
How does the jobs saved number offset the number of folks who are currently unemployed in the United States?
Must be the new math, huh????
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Here's the 'new math' you're looking for:
It takes a helluva lot longer than nine months to clean up the mess it took Dick-n-Dubya eight years to create.
Get real, Conservos. If you're capable of it, that is.
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Yet another Obama Failure.
If Obama was a Football team, he would be at the bottom of his confrence with all the failures he has quarterbacked this year.
Like the Phoenix Coyotes in Hockey, he would be filing Bankruptcy with the bad decisions he & his Administration has made.
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#35
...there's help for folks who are suffering from the Blame Bush Syndrome.
See your doctor.
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I am an Independent----but I am voting a straight Republican ticket in 2010 and 2012.
At this point in our country---and based on the current Democrats and their policies----a vote for any Democrat is a vote toward destroying our economy, culture, states, and country!!!
Whether it be the Obamacare nightmare, Cap and Tax Energy Bill, the illegal invassion, the Copenhagen Treaty, etc.----any elected Democrat will just hasten the destruction of our country!!!
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According to the White House's logic, the dinosaurs never disappeared
All you have to do is say, "We saved them" and suddenly they're around and healthy as ever.
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#35,
What "earth" were you living on from 2001 to 2007?
As I seem to recall, it's been pointed out numerous times that we, as a nation and as individuals were doing pretty damned good until 2007 (once the democRATS had control of congress).
Did your job go in the toilet January 21, 2001?
Did your home go into foreclosure January 21, 2001?
Did your savings disappear January 21, 2001?
Did your retirement disappear January 21, 2001?
If you answered no to any or all of these (most likely the latter) then your claim: "the mess it took Dick-n-Dubya eight years to create."
Is about as credible as the "millions of jobs saved or created" by Oblah-blah-blah's so-called stimulus.
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The White House has to say SOMETHING in a feeble attempt to make itself look good. The Obummer administration is a JOKE, and there's nothing funny about it. This guy & his henchmen and women are sending American down the tubes. This crap has to STOP.
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OK, ken, what happened to Obama's promise of 8% unemployment?
Oh that's right - it wasn't a real promise, it was an Obama-promise. silly me.
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Where is mine? I'm still looking after losing my job.
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#35 No, I didn't think the newly elected president could "fix" the economy in nine months...but I did hope he'd do alot more than he has to help people keep or get jobs, and it only took Yobama three months to put the country farther into debt with his cocamamey "stimulus" packages. For other comments made: unemployment is the major reason the economy is so bad right now, not living beyond our means. That was one factor causing the downfall of our economy at first, but right now people are not living beyond their means, they are trying to survive. Without jobs people can't spend. So "saving" jobs, mostly in the education area helps those of us out work how?? We need to slow imports down and start industry in our OWN country to put people back to work. Get a broader range of people with degrees...that means going back to school or apprenticeships. Alternative energy and service related jobs would help the middle class which has been hit the hardest. This is the priority, not golf, garden parties, dog birthdays and growing veggies on the whitehouse lawn!!
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I just read the article on Yobama's comments on the economy:
"It is easy to forget that it was only several months ago that the economy was shrinking rapidly and many economists feared another Great Depression."
Uh say what?? Just what constitutes a "depression" to those on capitol hill? He thinks we aren't in one?? Well, there's the problem!!!
"Economic growth is no substitute for job growth," Obama said. "And we will likely see further job losses in the coming days, a fact that is both troubling for our economy and heartbreaking for the men and women who suddenly find themselves out of work. But we will not create the jobs we need unless the economy is growing."
Wow...thank you for letting us know it's going to get even worse. Just how does he think this country will survive with even more folks out of work?? Where does he think the money will come from to buy and spend?? How can the "economy" grow if we're all out of work??? This man is nutz. He's either living in another dimension, growing something other than veggies in that whitehouse garden or just drinkin' way too much beer!!
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It pitiful for all those who blame the nations economy on Obama. This problem started a long time ago. In nine months your expectations are unrealistic. It has been said from the start recovery will not happen very quickly.
Can you imagine the sate of the Union if McCain had won... eeeewww!
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#46 asks: "Can you imagine the sate of the Union if McCain had won... eeeewww!"
No Jeffrey, what would have happened?
Rhetorical question since I expect you will not provide a coherent answer.
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and I'll bet he takes credit for the beach front property here also.
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Hey, #47, #46 strikes me as someone who probably doesn't even know what the word "rhetorical" means, let alone attempt to come up with a coherent answer.
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#47 Well....HERMAN! For one thing, it would have been the same old extension of crap of the past 8 years... except with an Arizona tinge. God forbid people have to pay any more in Taxes, have access to affordable healthcare, live in a country that gives protections to people of Hate Crimes and gee perhaps take a less militant stand on foreign affairs. The only thing constant in life is change....And by the # of people who voted for this Administration, they deserve the chance to succeed...
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Hey #47 AND #49, perhaps someone should call a Waaaaaaaambulance for you... Or perhaps you'd like a little chees with your whine?
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What a surprise - the usual crowd had the same things to say.
So what if the money is not here next year - it was here this year, that's better than nothing.
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#50-and you KNOW this how?
How is bho different than gwb? Congress is led by d's for now, so what could change? Out of control spending...stupid policy...debt growing....unemployment climbing.....
yeh, bho is so much much better. how about we get a leader for a change?
You my friend are a extremist that will be the end of this country.
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#50-"And by the # of people who voted for this Administration, they deserve the chance to succeed..."
Would you say the same thing if the role was reversed?
nah, didn't think so.
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Sounds to me HERMAN that your so unhappy here, actually you sound miserable. I'm sure you'd find something the matter with anything. Why not try optimism instead of pessimism and be less cynical?Be positive-minded not negative-minded. If you continue to be soooo unhappy, there are always alternatives...
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Oh, and to answer your "question" Yes, I would feel the same because 1) 9 months means little and 2)I'm not for EVERYTHING Obama, but yes many things I am for, Besides, whom ever is in Office I WANT to succeed, because a successful USA is good for all of us...
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We need to take this country back from Obama and the libs and put this country back on the right track. This includes out lawing abortion, eliminating government, shipping back to Mexico the illegals, outlawing women working, and eliminating all taxes. We need to take our country back by any means.
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Re: #57/Rockie:
You forgot making it illegal for women to read the newspaper, getting as many of them barefoot and pregnant, and reverting their status to being nothing more than a man's property.
Too bad that too many of us uppity women are not only armed, but much better shots than men! Get rid of Obama, but keep your antiquated religious beliefs away from my and my doctor's ability to control my own health and well-being. Take back this country from the illegals infiltrating our government and its benefits. Institute a flat tax for everyone (Democratic Congressman and women included) with NO loopholes. Rescind the tax-exempt status of all religious institutions. Since they find it necessary to impose their superstitious beliefs into local, state, and federal laws and regulations, then they can chip in and cough up their fair share in the cost of running this country.
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