3. Comment by Randy S. (rmalick)— November 5,2008 @ 6:53AM
Ratings:-2+2
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4. Comment by N W. (nw)— November 5,2008 @ 7:16AM
Ratings:-2+14
I'm glad it was rejected. I liked some of the punishments ID Thenft charges and a few other items in it, but it was nearly impossible to get the employer. If legislation is smart they may add some of those punishments to what we have now and strengthen more.
I'm also glad the voters rejected the majority rule. It's no majority if no one is bothering to vote.
5. Comment by Jose C. (Jose C.)— November 5,2008 @ 7:50AM
Ratings:-2+12
Well you would certainly like to believe common sense prevailed, but I think it was more likely a combination of common sense and a huge voter turnout made up of people who are genuinely upset and concerned about the current state of the union!
7. Comment by Brett S. (BrettSwihart)— November 5,2008 @ 10:21AM
Ratings:-5+12
Common sense?
Unfortunate that Arizona's defeated proposition 300 for giving lawmakers a pay raise. The low pay continues to guarantee that only people with dual incomes or wealth will be able to afford to represent us. Voting know only punishes aspiring legislatures who cannot live on 24k; it does nothing to the current legislatures who obviously have other sources of income. The voters get this wrong every time. Common sense says you get what you pay for in schools and government employee quality. Common sense also says a democracy isn't best represented by only allowing the wealthy to serve in public office. Think about this next time it comes around. Let's let working people be able to afford to serve in the state legislature.
8. Comment by Frank G. (goudy1)— November 5,2008 @ 10:50AM
Ratings:-3+12
Unfortunately, the voters of Arizona will have their wishes concerning illegal immigration overturned by Obama and the Democratic Congress.
Everything bill that has been passed, every proposition that has been passed (or in the case of 202 turned down) will be null and void within a year. Obama will intrude and pass federal legislation that makes all of this irrelevant. And the ACLU and MALDEF already have their lawyers ready to help Obama.
Hope everyone sees this? But I have not heard it mentioned. Any comments?
10. Comment by Robert J. (mcozzy)— November 5,2008 @ 12:31PM
Ratings:-2+9
The defeat of prop 202 (the business lobby proposal to go soft on illegal employers) shows how out of touch the extreme liberal media outlets are; especially the Arizona Daily Star.
They constantly write pro-illegal stories (usually written by racist hispanics). Their stories on illegal immigration completely ignore most Arizonans.
These business lobbies write this proposal in a way to mislead voters into thinking it was a proposal cracking down on illegal employers when, of course, the opposite was true. All the AZ newspapers were saying that the proposal was going to pass with a 2-1 margin of victory. Not even close! Way to go Arizonans! We saw right through their bs and let them know that illegals are not welcome in AZ. (Sheriff Joe had a landslide victory as well up in Phoenix).
USA TODAY's subscriptions have increased this year while the Arizona Daily Star's have plummetted. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that Arizonans are tired of reading pro-illegal stories that don't represent the majority of Arizonans. I know that's why I stopped purchasing the Daily Star and started getting USA TODAY. Maybe someday someone at the newpaper will realize this and start printing the truth rather than liberal propaganda.
11. Comment by Robert J. (mcozzy)— November 5,2008 @ 12:36PM
Ratings:-1+8
"Unfortunately, the voters of Arizona will have their wishes concerning illegal immigration overturned by Obama and the Democratic Congress"
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This isn't going to happen, Frank. The democratic congress and president Bush both supported the 2006 amnesty bill and it failed. The reason is that under no circumstances will the American people allow amnesty to illegals. Whenever anyone tries to put amnesty in a bill, their constituents go crazy on them. The 2006 bill didn't pass with democratic control and presidential support; nor will any other amnesty bill pass.
The democrats know they were elected because Americans want out of Iraq and want the economy improved. Just because America's sick of Repulicans doesn't mean we want amnesty. Any democrat who thinks they were elected to help illegal break the law will quickly find out otherwise.
12. Comment by Buzz M. (Buzzm1)— November 5,2008 @ 1:35PM
Ratings:-0+7
I applaud AZ voters for defeating Prop 202. Three Cheers!!!
STOP THE INVASION!!!
UNITED STATES BORDER APPREHENSIONS (Source DHS/CBP)
1987--1,190,488------1995--1,394,554------2003----931,557
1988--1,008,145------1996--1,649,986------2004--1,160,395
1989----954,243------1997--1,412,953------2005--1,189,075
1990--1,169,939------1998--1,555,776------2006--1,089,902
1991--1,197,875------1999--1,579,010------2007----876,704
1992--1,258,482------2000--1,676,438------2008----723,825
1993--1,327,259------2001--1,266,213------2009----(beginning 10/01)
1994--1,094,717------2002----955,310
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States.
THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4 illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.
Mind boggling, isn't it.
According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in this country are visa overstays. That is, they got a visa legally in their home country, they came here to visit and then they never left.
In the last 22 years, there have been another 4 million anchor babies born to illegals. Anchor babies are now being born at a rate of 350-400 thousand per year in our United States. All at our expense!!
Then the ANCHOR BABIES qualify for welfare, food stamps, section-8 housing, all at our expense.
American Taxpayers are getting screwed, over, and over, and over, again!!!
Each illegal immigrant, on average, costs taxpayers $9,000 PER YEAR, over, and above, anything they might contribute in taxes!!!
13. Comment by Buzz M. (Buzzm1)— November 5,2008 @ 1:36PM
Ratings:-0+7
ENFORCE OUR LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!
THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!
OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM
#1. Make Illegal Entry a Felony Permanently Barring Citizenship
#2. Secure Our Borders with our National Guard!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#4. Cut Off ALL Public Assistance to Illegals and Their Children!!!
#5. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#6. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#7. End Chain Migration!!!
#8. Make English our Official Language!!!
#9. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!
14. Comment by Buzz M. (Buzzm1)— November 5,2008 @ 1:37PM
Ratings:-0+4
There are well over 10 million unemployed American workers, and that number is increasing with every passing day!!!
In the last 22 years, illegals, using forged, falsified, or stolen identities, have illegally obtained up to 8.7 million jobs; jobs that rightfully belong to Americans.
Tell your legislator to mandate E-Verify for all employees, for all employers, and for any benefit.
Americans need those jobs!!!
Report employers who employ illegals!!!
Report employers of illegals
http://reportillegals.com/
U.S. House of Representatives
http://www.house.gov/
U.S. Senate
http://www.senate.gov/
Contact your Senators and Representatives - office staff email addresses:
http://tinyurl.com/2r7q6e
Links to State Legislatures
http://www.fvap.gov/links/legislativelinks.html
15. Comment by Buzz M. (Buzzm1)— November 5,2008 @ 1:39PM
Ratings:-0+6
Dear Legislators,
Mandate, AND STRICTLY ENFORCE, E-Verify for ALL employers, for ALL employees, and for ANY benefit, and the I.C.E. raids, as well as all of the expemsive new detention facilities, would not be needed.
The illegals would have to begin leaving of their own accord.
Think of the economic effect of giving the 8.7 million jobs, that the illegals have illegally obtained, using forged, or stolen documents, back to Americans.
Think of the economic effect of 65 billion more dollars being spent in our United States, rather than being remitted to Mexico, and South America.
Think of the money saved by decreasing I.C.E.'s effort.
Think of it, and then let's do it!!!
BOYCOTT ANY BUSINESS THAT HIRES ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!
18. Comment by Frank G. (goudy1)— November 5,2008 @ 3:12PM
Ratings:-0+5
TO: Robert J. Comment #11
You have stated that you do not believe that I am right and that the Democratic Congress will hear the American people and not pass an amnesty bill.
I hope you are right and I am wrong! But I find it hard to believe that Obama, Pelosi and Reid will not pass a bill that comprises amnesty while calling it something else. Again, I hope you are right.
19. Comment by Joseph C. (Arafel)— November 5,2008 @ 3:42PM
Ratings:-0+5
With McCain going back to the Senate, I expect he will be pushing for an Amnesty AGAIN.
This time he won't back down because he won't be running for election again.
20. Comment by Iris L. (pinkiris)— November 5,2008 @ 7:04PM
Ratings:-0+1
Aside from the comments regarding illegal immigration with which I wholeheartedly agree, these ballots and several of other states show again and again that the elctorate is CONSERVATIVE. It is only when they get the wool pulled over their eyes and a candidate PRETENDS to be conservative that he loses. Look at the wins of Joe Arpaio, Andrew Thomas, Russell Pearce and our own David Gowan....ALL UNRESERVED CONSERVATIVES.
'Pretend' conservatives should forget it and stay home. The voters can figure it out!
22. Comment by carlos m. (carlos m)— November 6,2008 @ 12:09AM
Ratings:-0+0
frank g:We had Pelosi,Reid and 'willing worker' Bushbot and the amnesty got beaten down. The president can't pass andy thing but an executive order,and he can't pass one legalizing illegal aliens. The repulicans in the senate will filibuster any attempt and the house democrats and repulicans will only offer enforcement only. These conservatives have veto proof majorities.
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Voters refuse changes to employer sanctions
Voters rejected an effort to loosen key provisions in the state employer-sanctions law.Yes!!! Common sense appears to be wide spread among the ranks of Arizona voters.
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To bad you can't say that about the rest of the country.
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I'm glad it was rejected. I liked some of the punishments ID Thenft charges and a few other items in it, but it was nearly impossible to get the employer. If legislation is smart they may add some of those punishments to what we have now and strengthen more.
I'm also glad the voters rejected the majority rule. It's no majority if no one is bothering to vote.
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Well you would certainly like to believe common sense prevailed, but I think it was more likely a combination of common sense and a huge voter turnout made up of people who are genuinely upset and concerned about the current state of the union!
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Way to go Americans! Maybe the change we want and need will come to pass!!!!
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Common sense?
Unfortunate that Arizona's defeated proposition 300 for giving lawmakers a pay raise. The low pay continues to guarantee that only people with dual incomes or wealth will be able to afford to represent us. Voting know only punishes aspiring legislatures who cannot live on 24k; it does nothing to the current legislatures who obviously have other sources of income. The voters get this wrong every time. Common sense says you get what you pay for in schools and government employee quality. Common sense also says a democracy isn't best represented by only allowing the wealthy to serve in public office. Think about this next time it comes around. Let's let working people be able to afford to serve in the state legislature.
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Unfortunately, the voters of Arizona will have their wishes concerning illegal immigration overturned by Obama and the Democratic Congress.
Everything bill that has been passed, every proposition that has been passed (or in the case of 202 turned down) will be null and void within a year. Obama will intrude and pass federal legislation that makes all of this irrelevant. And the ACLU and MALDEF already have their lawyers ready to help Obama.
Hope everyone sees this? But I have not heard it mentioned. Any comments?
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#8 Good point...that is why I did not vote for him!
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The defeat of prop 202 (the business lobby proposal to go soft on illegal employers) shows how out of touch the extreme liberal media outlets are; especially the Arizona Daily Star.
They constantly write pro-illegal stories (usually written by racist hispanics). Their stories on illegal immigration completely ignore most Arizonans.
These business lobbies write this proposal in a way to mislead voters into thinking it was a proposal cracking down on illegal employers when, of course, the opposite was true. All the AZ newspapers were saying that the proposal was going to pass with a 2-1 margin of victory. Not even close! Way to go Arizonans! We saw right through their bs and let them know that illegals are not welcome in AZ. (Sheriff Joe had a landslide victory as well up in Phoenix).
USA TODAY's subscriptions have increased this year while the Arizona Daily Star's have plummetted. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that Arizonans are tired of reading pro-illegal stories that don't represent the majority of Arizonans. I know that's why I stopped purchasing the Daily Star and started getting USA TODAY. Maybe someday someone at the newpaper will realize this and start printing the truth rather than liberal propaganda.
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"Unfortunately, the voters of Arizona will have their wishes concerning illegal immigration overturned by Obama and the Democratic Congress"
-------------------------
This isn't going to happen, Frank. The democratic congress and president Bush both supported the 2006 amnesty bill and it failed. The reason is that under no circumstances will the American people allow amnesty to illegals. Whenever anyone tries to put amnesty in a bill, their constituents go crazy on them. The 2006 bill didn't pass with democratic control and presidential support; nor will any other amnesty bill pass.
The democrats know they were elected because Americans want out of Iraq and want the economy improved. Just because America's sick of Repulicans doesn't mean we want amnesty. Any democrat who thinks they were elected to help illegal break the law will quickly find out otherwise.
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I applaud AZ voters for defeating Prop 202. Three Cheers!!!
STOP THE INVASION!!!
UNITED STATES BORDER APPREHENSIONS (Source DHS/CBP)
1987--1,190,488------1995--1,394,554------2003----931,557
1988--1,008,145------1996--1,649,986------2004--1,160,395
1989----954,243------1997--1,412,953------2005--1,189,075
1990--1,169,939------1998--1,555,776------2006--1,089,902
1991--1,197,875------1999--1,579,010------2007----876,704
1992--1,258,482------2000--1,676,438------2008----723,825
1993--1,327,259------2001--1,266,213------2009----(beginning 10/01)
1994--1,094,717------2002----955,310
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States.
THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4 illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.
Mind boggling, isn't it.
According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in this country are visa overstays. That is, they got a visa legally in their home country, they came here to visit and then they never left.
In the last 22 years, there have been another 4 million anchor babies born to illegals. Anchor babies are now being born at a rate of 350-400 thousand per year in our United States. All at our expense!!
Then the ANCHOR BABIES qualify for welfare, food stamps, section-8 housing, all at our expense.
American Taxpayers are getting screwed, over, and over, and over, again!!!
Each illegal immigrant, on average, costs taxpayers $9,000 PER YEAR, over, and above, anything they might contribute in taxes!!!
Report this comment
ENFORCE OUR LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!
THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!
OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM
#1. Make Illegal Entry a Felony Permanently Barring Citizenship
#2. Secure Our Borders with our National Guard!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#4. Cut Off ALL Public Assistance to Illegals and Their Children!!!
#5. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#6. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#7. End Chain Migration!!!
#8. Make English our Official Language!!!
#9. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!
NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!
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There are well over 10 million unemployed American workers, and that number is increasing with every passing day!!!
In the last 22 years, illegals, using forged, falsified, or stolen identities, have illegally obtained up to 8.7 million jobs; jobs that rightfully belong to Americans.
Tell your legislator to mandate E-Verify for all employees, for all employers, and for any benefit.
Americans need those jobs!!!
Report employers who employ illegals!!!
Report employers of illegals
http://reportillegals.com/
U.S. House of Representatives
http://www.house.gov/
U.S. Senate
http://www.senate.gov/
Contact your Senators and Representatives - office staff email addresses:
http://tinyurl.com/2r7q6e
Links to State Legislatures
http://www.fvap.gov/links/legislativelinks.html
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Dear Legislators,
Mandate, AND STRICTLY ENFORCE, E-Verify for ALL employers, for ALL employees, and for ANY benefit, and the I.C.E. raids, as well as all of the expemsive new detention facilities, would not be needed.
The illegals would have to begin leaving of their own accord.
Think of the economic effect of giving the 8.7 million jobs, that the illegals have illegally obtained, using forged, or stolen documents, back to Americans.
Think of the economic effect of 65 billion more dollars being spent in our United States, rather than being remitted to Mexico, and South America.
Think of the money saved by decreasing I.C.E.'s effort.
Think of it, and then let's do it!!!
BOYCOTT ANY BUSINESS THAT HIRES ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!
AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
DURING HARD TIMES, WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT!!!
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BUILD THE FENCE!!!
Southwest Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions (Source DHS/CBP)
Fiscal Year-------------2005---------2006---------2007-------2008 (ends 9/30)
San Diego------------126,879-----142,104---- 152,460--- 162,390
El Centro--------------55,725-------61,465----- 55,883----- 40,961
Yuma-----------------138,492-----118,549----- 37,992------ 8,363
Tucson --------------439,053-----392,074---- 378,239--- 317,696
El Paso---------------122,624-----122,256----- 75,464----- 30,312
Marfa ------------------10,532--------7,520------- 5,536------ 5,391
Del Rio -----------------68,547------42,636----- 22,920----- 20,761
Laredo -----------------75,268------74,840----- 56,714------43,658
Rio Grande Valley --134,136----110,528------ 73,430----- 75,473
Apprehensions----1,171,386--1,071,972-----858,638----705,005
The Yuma Sector presently has a total of 94 miles of fencing
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Prop 202 was doo-doo and the voters knew-knew. Pack yer bags illegales no mas trabajo para used in Arizona!
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TO: Robert J. Comment #11
You have stated that you do not believe that I am right and that the Democratic Congress will hear the American people and not pass an amnesty bill.
I hope you are right and I am wrong! But I find it hard to believe that Obama, Pelosi and Reid will not pass a bill that comprises amnesty while calling it something else. Again, I hope you are right.
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With McCain going back to the Senate, I expect he will be pushing for an Amnesty AGAIN.
This time he won't back down because he won't be running for election again.
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Aside from the comments regarding illegal immigration with which I wholeheartedly agree, these ballots and several of other states show again and again that the elctorate is CONSERVATIVE. It is only when they get the wool pulled over their eyes and a candidate PRETENDS to be conservative that he loses. Look at the wins of Joe Arpaio, Andrew Thomas, Russell Pearce and our own David Gowan....ALL UNRESERVED CONSERVATIVES.
'Pretend' conservatives should forget it and stay home. The voters can figure it out!
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BuzzM1, why dont you come back to InSession ? We need you.LOL
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frank g:We had Pelosi,Reid and 'willing worker' Bushbot and the amnesty got beaten down. The president can't pass andy thing but an executive order,and he can't pass one legalizing illegal aliens. The repulicans in the senate will filibuster any attempt and the house democrats and repulicans will only offer enforcement only. These conservatives have veto proof majorities.
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