CHICAGO — A new TV commercial shows kids eating hot dogs in a school cafeteria and one little boy's haunting lament: "I was dumbfounded when the doctor told me I have late-stage colon cancer."
1. Comment by Jeffrey H. (flibber)— August 27,2008 @ 1:09AM
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Yuk. No one wants to see sausages being made. So don't look. The hot dog council should respond by showing starvling, anorectic, skeletal vegans. How about a terminal Karen Carpenter? A few hot dogs a day would have done her good. Overstatement doesn't serve the truth which is getting in shorter supply these days.
5. Comment by Sam P. (sal1970)— August 27,2008 @ 4:19AM
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karen carpenter had an eating disorder.
called anorexia nervosa. her death
had nothing to do with being a
vegetarian. the relationship between
nitrites and colon cancer has been
known for years which is why i never
eat processed meats. recent studies
have also linked nitrites to COPD.
All essential amino acids may be obtained from plant sources, and even strict vegetarian diets can provide all dietary requirements, provided they are based on a variety of whole plant foods. Some believe that careful monitoring of nutrient levels is important in strict vegetarian diets, but there are virtually no cases of protein-deficiency among populations consuming adequate calories. The only common cases of protein-deficiency occur among populations that are chronically undernourished.
7. Comment by Larry C. (LarryC1)— August 27,2008 @ 4:27AM
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8. Comment by Floyd F. (northstar)— August 27,2008 @ 4:33AM
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#2 What time did you start to amass that list,plus who gives a rats hot dog about those individuals,except for Alicia I would buy her a big bowl of sal hell I buy her a big bowl of anything. HA HA HA.
10. Comment by Beejay M. (mmsd1)— August 27,2008 @ 4:51AM
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Imagine if you led a 'perfect' life and you got no pig lips, artificial sweeteners and no preservatives of any kind. Then one day, you took a trip and ate a hot dog and it killed you on the spot.
I've spent a lifetime building my resistance up to this stuff, so I'm safe.
11. Comment by Mark H. (UrbanBohemian)— August 27,2008 @ 4:54AM
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I see the bashing has begun. No one stops for a moment to think.
Comment #1 was unsubstantiated FICTION. LIES! Yet, it is lies like comment #1 that perpetuate ignorant stereotypes that are all too abundant.
Yes, comment #2 was long! But it was to prove a point! Comment #1 was TOTAL FICTION. So, what is worse, one short comment that is 100% fiction? Or one long comment that PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that the previous comment was a blatant baseless lie? Has anyone ever thought about CAUSE AND EFFECT? If people did not just post lies out of the blue, then other people would not to write a post (sometimes of an inordinate length) to rebuff them. I am sick of the constant bashing of people who simply are different. Blacks, lesbians, Muslims, Mexicans, etc...
I notice that you folks never bash the meth-heads? Why not? At least Vegans are healthy ad help the planet. So, why are methamphetamine addicts a "protected specie" among the invidious, neocon trolls? Just curious... Could it be because they mirror your political philosophy, off-limits?
13. Comment by Mark H. (UrbanBohemian)— August 27,2008 @ 5:07AM
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A LESSON IN LOGIC AND CHARACTER:
I have not consumed beef since 1988 and have openly opined that I WOULD NEVER EAT TAKE A BITE OF A MCCDONALDS HAMBURGER OR KFC CHICKEN (nor cheer for UCLA in any game) NOT EVEN FOR $755,000.00 CASH!
Most folks DON'T GET IT. Why?
To quote Dr Wayne Dyer:
People who operate from outer-signals will never understand those people who operate from inner-signals.
Translation:
Some people place character ahead of money. When we die, we can not take our money wit us, but we can take our character with us.
By the time the third child speaks, it becomes obvious that the kids do not have colon cancer but are quoting adults who do. A questionable tactic, perhaps, but it does get your attention.
20. Comment by Bran M. (Bran Muffin)— August 27,2008 @ 5:58AM
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#1 - What does Karen Carpenter's anorexia have to do with veganism? Sadly, there are those who are not smart enough to see that one has nothing at all to do with the other.
I've been vegetarian (sometimes vegan) for more than 25 years and, as a result, am very healthy. Even back when I was eating meat, I knew better than to eat "lunch meats" or hot dogs.
Nonetheless, I wish the makers of this ad had not exaggerated in order to get their point across.
They really don't have to. No matter how bad you might think the contents of processed meat are, it will pale next to the truth.
Processed meats are true garbage. Its everything that should have been thrown out but we humans are not as smart as we want to believe we are and will eat darn near anything.
Reminds me of "buffalo wings". That's gotta be the smartest gimmick Madison Ave ever came up with ... Take a piece of the carcass that has almost no meat on it, jack up the per pound price sky high because of a little sauce and people are so dumb they'll gobble it up. The consumer has not only been dumb enough to buy this little scam, there is now a hugley successful entire industry built around selling a non-product. Cracks me up.
21. Comment by Peter C. (#4977)— August 27,2008 @ 6:14AM
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Stand in front of a mirror and open your mouth. The teeth you see (assuming you have teeth) are those of an omnivore, a creature designed to eat both plants and flesh. Dentition is destiny.
22. Comment by Mark H. (UrbanBohemian)— August 27,2008 @ 6:16AM
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19) Don H.
While I don't agree with hunting in general, admittedly, I do have more respect for those who consume hunter's meat, as they are eating far healthier beef than Suzy Soccer Mommy who buys bologna at Bashas for tots. Why would a mother who claims to love their kids do this? The link provided by Joan on #17 is enough to make any educated Mom stop and think... or NOT?
But Don, you are right about your meat. Your deer and elk is healthier than any processed meat at Food City without a doubt! You can thank Monsanto for adding their hormones to damn near everything you find at the store.
Yet, recently, they had succumb to the consumer and back down! Thanks in part to Wal-Mart?
23. Comment by Bill B. (#4485)— August 27,2008 @ 6:28AM
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Kosher dogs, the rabbi likes'em! now if they want to commericalize a product that causes a variety of deadly conditions they should point there finger at one of the greatest social problems in the country.. can't wait huh... yes the demon alcohol.. liver cancers, stomach cancers, kidney failure, brain cancer.. of course its only B U D W I S E R or the bazillion other commericals on the tube.. of coruse their lobby.. yeah yeah we've been there done that.. but hey facts are facts.. as is the truth.
24. Comment by Don H. (dhart)— August 27,2008 @ 6:31AM
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22 Mark H
I was a little out there when I called vegetarians a fringe group. It is a lifestyle choice, just as mine is.
I actually tried going meatless for about 6 months when I was still running competitively, to see if the diet change would give me a little more performance. I couldn't quantify any change, and I missed meat.
26. Comment by Bran M. (Bran Muffin)— August 27,2008 @ 6:51AM
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Don't bet on wild meat being any healthier and its only going to get worse. About the best thing you can say for it right now is that its fresher. But, you could say that about road kill.
I also wonder why parents would buy hot dogs, "lunch meats", prepared boxed "foods" or for that matter, store bought pizza for their kids.
Dentition is indeed destiny. So is the rest of our anatomy. Take another look and compare ours to other animals'. You'll find ours more closely resemble those of true herbivores ... Teeth made for grinding, not for catching, ripping and tearing, flat nails instead of claws for catching and holding on, long intestines instead of the almost straight shot through of an omnivore/carnivore. The list goes on but that's what google is for.
Eat whatever you want. Just don't criticize those who choose the health of the planet, the ethics of a cruelty free lifestyle and their own good health and increased strength over the cruel and disease ridden slaughterhouse garbage diet.
Vegetarian a "fringe group" ... Take a look at the worldwide numbers and you'll see we're anything but.
27. Comment by Sam P. (sal1970)— August 27,2008 @ 7:06AM
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mama cass elliot did not choke on a
sandwich. the following was taken from her bio: 'An urban legend arose that Elliot died choking on a ham sandwich. Speaking to the press shortly after her body was discovered, the police noted that a partly eaten sandwich had been found in her room and speculated that she may have choked while eating it. When the coroner's autopsy was performed, no food was found in her trachea and the cause of death was determined to have been heart failure and that she had died in her sleep."
36. Comment by Tom b. (Unhyphenated American)— August 27,2008 @ 8:42AM
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How could a hot dog get colon cancer? Anyway, the vegitarians are always saying how evil meat is and that it causes all sorts of diseases. So does a deficiency of vitiam B12 which can only be obtained from meat, eggs, and dairy products.
39. Comment by Tom b. (Unhyphenated American)— August 27,2008 @ 9:06AM
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#37 Calm down, not lies, just not up on the latest info. I thought a lack of red meat was supposed to calm you down.
So, this is great news one source of B12 in Red Star T-6635+. Cool Beans.
50. Comment by A D. (SUNDEVLFAN)— August 27,2008 @ 10:08AM
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There's something mentally wrong with vegetarians. Every person I know who's a vegetable has some sort of health problem. The human body needs the chemicals that are in meat.
Don't worry, for every one animal that a vegetable doesn't eat, I eat TWO of them!
Tonight for dinner? A HUGE T-bone steak from a cow, a side of bacon from a cute little pig, and a big glass of milk!
52. Comment by Judy U. (Judy U.)— August 27,2008 @ 11:02AM
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I've started avoiding processed meats, and I feel healthier for it. However, there is no greater joy than being at a ball game and sinking my teeth into a hot dog slathered in onions and ketchup. It's an occasional treat. BREATHING can kill you, people. Come on! We all have to shuffle off this mortal coil at some point. Don't wanna die a skinny, twitchy, self-righteous vegan.
Incidentally, March 15th is "Eat a Steak for PETA" Day. Take a picture of yourself eating a big slab of red meat and send it to PETA. I know I'll be celebrating. Who's with me?
58. Comment by Mike S. (Dirty)— August 27,2008 @ 11:47AM
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Wow I guess someone got what I said but I thought we were all adults on here? I guess since its been so long for some that its not politically correct anymore. Thats why there is a filter button at the top people.
59. Comment by Russell W. (#3712)— August 27,2008 @ 11:56AM
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21- I think it is more telling that vegans HAVE to have b-12 supplements to live. Humans have not evolved to the point where they can live witout meat or b-12 supplements.
62. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 1:31PM
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Meat also leads to heart disease. Meat production contributes more to global warming than cars. It takes 50 bowls of grain to make one 8 oz. steak.
There is a health care crisis because big food industry, pharmacy and insurance comapnies are making A LOT of money off of people killing themselves whith what they put into their mouths.
There is a ton of information out there, do the research. There are also issues of hormones and antibiotics in the meat and the products from animals. Maybe some people are so loaded up with meat, white sugar and transfats that they are pretty much in a drug like trance and feel that violence is ok. Eating meat is violent. The suffering of the animals, the whole cycle of things and all of the effects add up to our health crisis, wolrd hunger, global warming and maybe even war.
Go vegetarian and live in peace and enjoy a healthy life. If you really look forward to surgery and being on meds for a good deal of your life, keep forking in the beef. Go buy a hummer or two while your at it. . .
65. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 1:44PM
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#21
We do not have a hinged jaw for ripping apart flesh but one that is able to grind sideways.
We have a longer digestive system so we are better able to get the nutrients from our foods as opposed to the shorter tract that carnivores have to enable them to pass the meat through their body before it becomes rancid.
While we do have incisors, they are not like those of other animals for tearing flesh, but rather for cropping the harder vegetables.
We do not have claws or talons for tearing flesh.
The enzymes in our saliva that start breaking down the food in our mouths and the early part of our digestive tract are of a low acidity level and in alignment with a plant based diet.
67. Comment by BellyUp M. (BellyUp)— August 27,2008 @ 2:03PM
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Dam, Judy #60 - people are going to think I changed my screen name. Judy is not me, everybody. And I have no twin sisters. She's just another of those who get it.
68. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 2:09PM
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#41, My friend Belly Up,
A Vegetarian diet can be full of nutrients, a meat diet can leave a person lacking and vice-versa.
There is an assumption that vegetarians sit around a camp fire eating lettuce and getting thin or something equally wacko. There is an abundance of nutrition in SO many plants, more so than meat in many cases.
I eat a hemp bagel for one meal a day. It has 260 calories, 6 grams of fat (no transfats), 14 grams of fiber and 20 - yes 20 grams of protein. I could go on for several days about the many food choices out there, but if you are interested, pick up any number of wonderful books.
It's a healthier way of life for humans, animals and the planet.
71. Comment by BellyUp M. (BellyUp)— August 27,2008 @ 2:57PM
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Victoria, DAHling! You look so delightful today! LOVE your blouse!
I wasn't talking about vegetarians in my question #41. I was talking about me. I hardly eat anything. I'm sure any nutritionist would tell me I should have croaked 30 years ago, although I'm still going strong. Feel great.
Everything I read about eating says I have to have these preposterous amounts of hundreds of "essential" (every darn thing is essential to hear them tell it) foods for just minimal subsistance.
Well I don't. Never will. I eat everything, but rarely and in small amounts, and with no regard to what it is or what it contains. My question is: do vitamin supplements compensate for a woefully limited intake of pretty much everything?
After you answer that, I'll explain to you what that hinged jaw of yours is really for. :)
73. Comment by Chris J. (joneser1313)— August 27,2008 @ 3:08PM
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Wait... people thought hot dogs were healthy before this?
I just ate them because they taste so damn good.
If you are a vegetarian because of the moral issues what does one do if you where a Shinto vegetarian? I mean Shinto religion believes that everything has a soul, even rocks and plants so eating that salad is akin to eating a bowl of people.
Also I have read reports that when broccoli is harvested the plant sends an electric signal through its cell structure that is very similiar to a scream of agony. So what there?
If you are just vegetarian becuase you are trying to be healthy well then that is great. I too, eat a lot less meat than I did growing up in my meat at every meal family.
BUT, I won't give up my addicition to Kosher Franks!!! Long live the weiner!!!
77. Comment by Mark S. (Mark the Mailman)— August 27,2008 @ 5:16PM
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A Twelve Pack of beer, and a pack of cigarettes a day works for me...
Yeah, I will die way before the health nuts, but, boy, I enjoy EVERY day of my life, and don't stress out about diet, lifestyle, or obesity.
Memory refresher....don't you all remember when they said, eggs, coffee, bacon, red meat, fried foods, and on, and on and on, was bad for your body?
Live pure....you will DIE just like I will someday, and hopefully it won't be in a nursing home, because you lived to be 125 years old!
Best print I saw in a long time was a woman sitting over her birthday cake celebrating 100 years, and lighting a cigarrete off the candle....
You go girl!
80. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 7:22PM
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Belly Up, your minimal intake of food is actually good according to more Eastern thoughts on eating as well as Western pioneers in thought like Dr. Dean Ornish. Most people eat too much, period (at least in this country).
As for supplements, there are many camps on that, but I do take some supps but mainly herbs and green food.
Chris J. you have an interesting point (at least to me personally) in regard to all objects being forms of life. I hear you on that. Where do we draw the line? I sure don't know. In regard to humane treatment of animals, I think that it is of value because we have some clue as to obvious suffering and we should strive to honor and respect life a little more. Like I personally find it interesting when pro-life people eat a lot of meat and don't even care whether or not the animal lived in humane conditions. If you're pro-life, shouldn't that kind of go all the way around?
My concerns with vegetarianism, and I am passionate over it, are that people can live a healthier life if they choose to. Our friend Mark who enjoys his beer has a wonderful point. If you are enjoying, that is yours and it should not be taken from you especially if you are ok with the possibility of certain health issues (or not) in the future. I toast our friend Mark in his candor. But health care is highly over rated (and over priced) so I like the possibilites I am given with food/lifestyle choices.
Another issue is that the meat industry loads the animals with hormones and antibiotics, we are seeing young people mature sooner and a resistance to antibiotics in part due to the horrible conditions the animals are subjected to and hence the need for medication.
In regard to the treatment of the animals, if we had to kill our meat, we would most likely all eat less meat for several reasons. At the very least the animal may have had a chance at enjoying life before their death. Something we all hope for - our friend Mark puts it well. Our friend Chris has valid points with plants, but I hope for the best. That which I can at least seem to understand I try to do right by.
The more freaky aspect of meat is the contribution to global warming. In part do to scalping of land and forrest for grazing, in part due to all that methane. . . I'd rather not feel guilty about driving my car in the rain or on a super hot day than eat meat. (of course, I'm a vegetarian. . .)
World hunger could have strides made to help with far less beef consumption - I think most people would gladly cut back on some meat if they could help to save lives.
On more esoteric levels I think that mindlessly eating pre-slaughtered animals and consuming their adrenaline along with the energy of the action can contribute to unrest within individual and possibly more anger and violence. I know I'll loose a lot of people on that one, but it's my opinion.
Lastly, I think that the add sounds dumb. I hate that a big stride was made to make vegetarians look like drama queens and idiots. So, as much of a platform (or soap box) as I take, just because I believe in something and hope to help people with my enthusiasm, I don't care for slamming the truth with high drama. Shame on that commercial producer.
Oh, dear. . .I just got it. This advert was about weiners and I mentioned the jaw function. . .get the joke now. . .
81. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 7:50PM
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Wow, Levi, the link was stunning. I can't believe that people could not be moved by it. Thank you for sharing. I don't see a lot of difference in the behavior on that film and the people who torture other humans. How would people feel about eating the remains of tortured human beings? At least their flesh could provide nourishment to hungry people. We really have to learn to love and respect all life if we really want peace.
82. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 8:11PM
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Peter, Hitler ate sausage - hardly a vegetarian. No one gets veneral disease from being vegetarian. . . I won't follow through on the thought. . .anyway, the Hitler veggy thing is just another urban legend. He did toy with the idea but didn't follow through. Regardless, bad people come in all varieties.
83. Comment by Don H. (dhart)— August 27,2008 @ 8:12PM
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I grew up in a town with a slaughterhouse, and as a kid, walked by it every time I went to the river to fish.
I will agree with the vegetarians on one point. If Suzy Sixpack had any idea where her supermarket meat came from and how it got there, there would be far more vegetarians around.
I don't have that problem, because I harvest and butcher my own meat. It is killed humanely, and honored for the chase (the first thing I eat is the heart). And then the meat is cut, cleaned and processed as it should be.
84. Comment by Don H. (dhart)— August 27,2008 @ 8:18PM
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Vegetarians are entitled to their beliefs and lifestyle. For them, it is a good thing.
However, the more radical and vocal among them remind me of the religious right zealots, or Jehovah's Witness, and my opinion of their penchant for trying to foist their beliefs on everyone else is not high.
85. Comment by Victoria K. (VictoriaK)— August 27,2008 @ 8:33PM
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I just went to the Nimbus comments and everyone is pretty happy over there. Maybe everyone on this page should just have a beer and nibble on some nuts.
Don, good for you. You know what you like and live your choices out. More people should follow their hearts as such.
Hopefully, as I did post a lot, you don't consider me a radical. I just saw so many wacked comments on this issue that I posted a lot of my thoughts. There are a lot of people out there who toy with the idea and could benefit health-wise, but they are put off by negative attention that vegetarianism gets.
Raises your glasses and toast the happiness that beer seems to bring, maybe that's where it's at considering how no one slams anyone over beer.
86. Comment by Don H. (dhart)— August 27,2008 @ 8:44PM
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Victoria,
I don't sweat the small stuff. You have made some seriously valid points today, and as you can tell, I have no problem with that.
As I posted earlier, I tried a meatless diet for six months to try and enhance my running performance. It had no moral component, just a physiological one.
Keep up with your beliefs. It is part of what makes you you.
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Pro-vegetarian TV commercial links hot dogs with colon cancer
CHICAGO — A new TV commercial shows kids eating hot dogs in a school cafeteria and one little boy's haunting lament: "I was dumbfounded when the doctor told me I have late-stage colon cancer."Yuk. No one wants to see sausages being made. So don't look. The hot dog council should respond by showing starvling, anorectic, skeletal vegans. How about a terminal Karen Carpenter? A few hot dogs a day would have done her good. Overstatement doesn't serve the truth which is getting in shorter supply these days.
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Looks great to me! Starving, anorexic and skeletal you say?
MMMMMMMM! Looks good to me! WOW!
ALICIA SILVERSTONE
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I'll have a Sonoran wrapped with bacon just while I read the last couple of comments.
Why don't all the freaks move back to California and entertain/re-educate the illegals that have displaced them?
Maybe they could convince them to sell soy wrapped in fake bacon.
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karen carpenter had an eating disorder.
called anorexia nervosa. her death
had nothing to do with being a
vegetarian. the relationship between
nitrites and colon cancer has been
known for years which is why i never
eat processed meats. recent studies
have also linked nitrites to COPD.
All essential amino acids may be obtained from plant sources, and even strict vegetarian diets can provide all dietary requirements, provided they are based on a variety of whole plant foods. Some believe that careful monitoring of nutrient levels is important in strict vegetarian diets, but there are virtually no cases of protein-deficiency among populations consuming adequate calories. The only common cases of protein-deficiency occur among populations that are chronically undernourished.
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News Flash: Scientists Link Living With Dying!
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#2 What time did you start to amass that list,plus who gives a rats hot dog about those individuals,except for Alicia I would buy her a big bowl of sal hell I buy her a big bowl of anything. HA HA HA.
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Re #2
This is way too much information and a huge waste of bandwidth.
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Imagine if you led a 'perfect' life and you got no pig lips, artificial sweeteners and no preservatives of any kind. Then one day, you took a trip and ate a hot dog and it killed you on the spot.
I've spent a lifetime building my resistance up to this stuff, so I'm safe.
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I see the bashing has begun. No one stops for a moment to think.
Comment #1 was unsubstantiated FICTION. LIES! Yet, it is lies like comment #1 that perpetuate ignorant stereotypes that are all too abundant.
Yes, comment #2 was long! But it was to prove a point! Comment #1 was TOTAL FICTION. So, what is worse, one short comment that is 100% fiction? Or one long comment that PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that the previous comment was a blatant baseless lie? Has anyone ever thought about CAUSE AND EFFECT? If people did not just post lies out of the blue, then other people would not to write a post (sometimes of an inordinate length) to rebuff them. I am sick of the constant bashing of people who simply are different. Blacks, lesbians, Muslims, Mexicans, etc...
I notice that you folks never bash the meth-heads? Why not? At least Vegans are healthy ad help the planet. So, why are methamphetamine addicts a "protected specie" among the invidious, neocon trolls? Just curious... Could it be because they mirror your political philosophy, off-limits?
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Hey come to think about it,how is this anti hot dog write-up going to play at Pat's, Tucson best dog's this side of the panhandle,
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A LESSON IN LOGIC AND CHARACTER:
I have not consumed beef since 1988 and have openly opined that I WOULD NEVER EAT TAKE A BITE OF A MCCDONALDS HAMBURGER OR KFC CHICKEN (nor cheer for UCLA in any game) NOT EVEN FOR $755,000.00 CASH!
Most folks DON'T GET IT. Why?
To quote Dr Wayne Dyer:
People who operate from outer-signals will never understand those people who operate from inner-signals.
Translation:
Some people place character ahead of money. When we die, we can not take our money wit us, but we can take our character with us.
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#1 makes a good point: "How about a terminal Karen Carpenter?"
It's well known that had Mama Cass just given her half that sandwich they'd both be alive!
Agree about #2 a link would have sufficed. No one reads "cut and pastes".
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Humans didn't claw, and fight their way to the top of the food chain to graze.
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Sounds like we have a crusader here good for him or her got to be PC early in the morn.
However anything that is good is either illegal,immoral,or fatting and now deadly.
Told the little lady we are going on a veggie diet,"she told me" you know were you can put your carrots. HA HA HE He.
Does Alicia really look that good or is that Photoshop remake.HE Haw.
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In the interests of being fully informed, here is the ad from The Cancer Project.
By the time the third child speaks, it becomes obvious that the kids do not have colon cancer but are quoting adults who do. A questionable tactic, perhaps, but it does get your attention.
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Nuts!
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I have no problem with vegetarians. I equate them with many other fringe groups out there.
I don't eat a lot of processed meats, but do have a fondness for hotdogs.
Most of the meat in my freezer is deer, elk, javelina, and rabbit, that I have harvested and processed myself, so I know what chemicals are not in it.
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#1 - What does Karen Carpenter's anorexia have to do with veganism? Sadly, there are those who are not smart enough to see that one has nothing at all to do with the other.
I've been vegetarian (sometimes vegan) for more than 25 years and, as a result, am very healthy. Even back when I was eating meat, I knew better than to eat "lunch meats" or hot dogs.
Nonetheless, I wish the makers of this ad had not exaggerated in order to get their point across.
They really don't have to. No matter how bad you might think the contents of processed meat are, it will pale next to the truth.
Processed meats are true garbage. Its everything that should have been thrown out but we humans are not as smart as we want to believe we are and will eat darn near anything.
Reminds me of "buffalo wings". That's gotta be the smartest gimmick Madison Ave ever came up with ... Take a piece of the carcass that has almost no meat on it, jack up the per pound price sky high because of a little sauce and people are so dumb they'll gobble it up. The consumer has not only been dumb enough to buy this little scam, there is now a hugley successful entire industry built around selling a non-product. Cracks me up.
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Stand in front of a mirror and open your mouth. The teeth you see (assuming you have teeth) are those of an omnivore, a creature designed to eat both plants and flesh. Dentition is destiny.
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19) Don H.
While I don't agree with hunting in general, admittedly, I do have more respect for those who consume hunter's meat, as they are eating far healthier beef than Suzy Soccer Mommy who buys bologna at Bashas for tots. Why would a mother who claims to love their kids do this? The link provided by Joan on #17 is enough to make any educated Mom stop and think... or NOT?
But Don, you are right about your meat. Your deer and elk is healthier than any processed meat at Food City without a doubt! You can thank Monsanto for adding their hormones to damn near everything you find at the store.
Yet, recently, they had succumb to the consumer and back down! Thanks in part to Wal-Mart?
MIGHTY MONSANTO BACKS DOWN
20) Bran... I especially love the penultimate paragraph in your post!
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Kosher dogs, the rabbi likes'em! now if they want to commericalize a product that causes a variety of deadly conditions they should point there finger at one of the greatest social problems in the country.. can't wait huh... yes the demon alcohol.. liver cancers, stomach cancers, kidney failure, brain cancer.. of course its only B U D W I S E R or the bazillion other commericals on the tube.. of coruse their lobby.. yeah yeah we've been there done that.. but hey facts are facts.. as is the truth.
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22 Mark H
I was a little out there when I called vegetarians a fringe group. It is a lifestyle choice, just as mine is.
I actually tried going meatless for about 6 months when I was still running competitively, to see if the diet change would give me a little more performance. I couldn't quantify any change, and I missed meat.
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This articles making me hungry!!!!!
Der wienerSchnitzel here I come!!!!
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Don't bet on wild meat being any healthier and its only going to get worse. About the best thing you can say for it right now is that its fresher. But, you could say that about road kill.
I also wonder why parents would buy hot dogs, "lunch meats", prepared boxed "foods" or for that matter, store bought pizza for their kids.
Dentition is indeed destiny. So is the rest of our anatomy. Take another look and compare ours to other animals'. You'll find ours more closely resemble those of true herbivores ... Teeth made for grinding, not for catching, ripping and tearing, flat nails instead of claws for catching and holding on, long intestines instead of the almost straight shot through of an omnivore/carnivore. The list goes on but that's what google is for.
Eat whatever you want. Just don't criticize those who choose the health of the planet, the ethics of a cruelty free lifestyle and their own good health and increased strength over the cruel and disease ridden slaughterhouse garbage diet.
Vegetarian a "fringe group" ... Take a look at the worldwide numbers and you'll see we're anything but.
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mama cass elliot did not choke on a
sandwich. the following was taken from her bio: 'An urban legend arose that Elliot died choking on a ham sandwich. Speaking to the press shortly after her body was discovered, the police noted that a partly eaten sandwich had been found in her room and speculated that she may have choked while eating it. When the coroner's autopsy was performed, no food was found in her trachea and the cause of death was determined to have been heart failure and that she had died in her sleep."
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Hitler was a vegetarian. He was also syphilitic and a sociopath. None of the above are really good for you.
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Peter C #28
Funny comment.
Not sure it adds anything to the discussion, but funny nevertheless.
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#17: I hate being fully informed as it can interfere with my opinions, but linx always appreciated.
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You mean Hot dogs will kill me?
So will everything else. Last I heard we all die.
The key is moderation & excersise.
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#20. Anorexia and Veganism are both neuroses. Sheesh, do I have to tell you everything. They are also often concurrent.
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#32 -
Piffle.
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I remember when they told me that bacon and hot pizza cause cancer.
I stopped listening to "them" at that point.
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I will only eat food that has a face on it!
Fish, cow, chicken, alligator, pig.....yummmmm!
ANIMALS.....it's what's for dinner!
liberalism causes cancer
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How could a hot dog get colon cancer? Anyway, the vegitarians are always saying how evil meat is and that it causes all sorts of diseases. So does a deficiency of vitiam B12 which can only be obtained from meat, eggs, and dairy products.
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36) Tom b, So does a deficiency of vitiam B12 which can only be obtained from meat, eggs, and dairy products.
More lies! Yeah. Right. Keep telling yourself that. B12
or
B12 too
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#36 - Not THAT stale old Vit B argument again.
Oh, and where's the "but where do you get your protein?" nonsense?
Eat what you want but please stop spouting the same old myths while pretending they're gospel.
Educate yourself. Read and research BOTH sides of the question.
Go ahead. I dare you.
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#37 Calm down, not lies, just not up on the latest info. I thought a lack of red meat was supposed to calm you down.
So, this is great news one source of B12 in Red Star T-6635+. Cool Beans.
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In defense of the vegetarians, you CAN get most, if not all of your nutritional needs met with a veg diet.
You may have to work at it quite a bit harder, and maybe eat some things that are more than a little unpleasant, but it can be done.
Like I said before, a lifestyle choice.
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Let me just say this about that:
OY DON'T LOYK SPAM!!
Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam!!
Q: If one's diet is deficient in nutrients, do supplements compensate?
Any help?
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35) AD liberalism causes cancer
I will just add this to other your baseless spoutings that proved to be 100% false have NO CREDIBILTY OR SUBSTANTIATION.
COMMENT 86
(first sentence of comment 86)
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All I can say is that every time I've seen an interview of someone over 100 years old I've never seen anyone state they were a vegetarian.
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Close minded, on both sides of the fence.
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43) Mike B:
Vegetarians live longer
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If you took a microscope close up of what goes into hot dogs, you wouldn't eat them anymore.
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Meet your meat
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Hot dogs are god's food!
Don't mess with them!
Gotta a problem with that then go eat lettuce!
I have also eaten brains, livers, hearts, eyeballs, fish eggs, bone, skin, scrotums, stomachs and oh yeah muscle. Yumm Yumm!
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"God's food?" Was Jesus a vegetarian
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There's something mentally wrong with vegetarians. Every person I know who's a vegetable has some sort of health problem. The human body needs the chemicals that are in meat.
Don't worry, for every one animal that a vegetable doesn't eat, I eat TWO of them!
Tonight for dinner? A HUGE T-bone steak from a cow, a side of bacon from a cute little pig, and a big glass of milk!
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This topic always brings out the best in folk.
grin
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I've started avoiding processed meats, and I feel healthier for it. However, there is no greater joy than being at a ball game and sinking my teeth into a hot dog slathered in onions and ketchup. It's an occasional treat.
BREATHING can kill you, people. Come on! We all have to shuffle off this mortal coil at some point. Don't wanna die a skinny, twitchy, self-righteous vegan.
Incidentally, March 15th is "Eat a Steak for PETA" Day. Take a picture of yourself eating a big slab of red meat and send it to PETA. I know I'll be celebrating. Who's with me?
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Judy, pass the A1! I'm with ya!
Now, if you want to start a club like PETA, we can do that, except we'll call it the PDEA (people who don't eat asparagus). yuck
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Hey, you told me to enjoy hell on another subject. NOW you're with me?! :-)
And yes, I hate asparagus as well. And okra. Any vegetable that secretes mucus.... ugh
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Judy, food and sex are 2 different things.
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No. 4: This Californian likes to quote Joe Jackson:
"Everything gives you cancer, there's no cure, there's no answer."
And yes, I'm a devout Carnivore.
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Wow I guess someone got what I said but I thought we were all adults on here? I guess since its been so long for some that its not politically correct anymore. Thats why there is a filter button at the top people.
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21- I think it is more telling that vegans HAVE to have b-12 supplements to live. Humans have not evolved to the point where they can live witout meat or b-12 supplements.
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"Judy, food and sex are 2 different things."
You have NO imagination....
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Eat what you like; know your choices have consequences. The science behind Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
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Meat also leads to heart disease. Meat production contributes more to global warming than cars. It takes 50 bowls of grain to make one 8 oz. steak.
There is a health care crisis because big food industry, pharmacy and insurance comapnies are making A LOT of money off of people killing themselves whith what they put into their mouths.
There is a ton of information out there, do the research. There are also issues of hormones and antibiotics in the meat and the products from animals. Maybe some people are so loaded up with meat, white sugar and transfats that they are pretty much in a drug like trance and feel that violence is ok. Eating meat is violent. The suffering of the animals, the whole cycle of things and all of the effects add up to our health crisis, wolrd hunger, global warming and maybe even war.
Go vegetarian and live in peace and enjoy a healthy life. If you really look forward to surgery and being on meds for a good deal of your life, keep forking in the beef. Go buy a hummer or two while your at it. . .
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AD#50 says:
There's something mentally wrong with vegetarians.
You are lashing out at people because they are vegetarian? That makes me think that there is something mentally wrong with you.
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http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/254703.php
Read this article in today's news.
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Health/BEYOND%20BEEF.htm
This site says it in a nutshell. . .
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#21
We do not have a hinged jaw for ripping apart flesh but one that is able to grind sideways.
We have a longer digestive system so we are better able to get the nutrients from our foods as opposed to the shorter tract that carnivores have to enable them to pass the meat through their body before it becomes rancid.
While we do have incisors, they are not like those of other animals for tearing flesh, but rather for cropping the harder vegetables.
We do not have claws or talons for tearing flesh.
The enzymes in our saliva that start breaking down the food in our mouths and the early part of our digestive tract are of a low acidity level and in alignment with a plant based diet.
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I was a vegetarian for a few years but it wasn't because I loved animals. It was because I hated plants!
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Dam, Judy #60 - people are going to think I changed my screen name. Judy is not me, everybody. And I have no twin sisters. She's just another of those who get it.
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#41, My friend Belly Up,
A Vegetarian diet can be full of nutrients, a meat diet can leave a person lacking and vice-versa.
There is an assumption that vegetarians sit around a camp fire eating lettuce and getting thin or something equally wacko. There is an abundance of nutrition in SO many plants, more so than meat in many cases.
I eat a hemp bagel for one meal a day. It has 260 calories, 6 grams of fat (no transfats), 14 grams of fiber and 20 - yes 20 grams of protein. I could go on for several days about the many food choices out there, but if you are interested, pick up any number of wonderful books.
It's a healthier way of life for humans, animals and the planet.
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#59, if you are a vegetarian or vegan, you do not have to have B-12 sups. to live.
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Victoria, you have hit all the points very nicely. Excellent and thorough posting.
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Victoria, DAHling! You look so delightful today! LOVE your blouse!
I wasn't talking about vegetarians in my question #41. I was talking about me. I hardly eat anything. I'm sure any nutritionist would tell me I should have croaked 30 years ago, although I'm still going strong. Feel great.
Everything I read about eating says I have to have these preposterous amounts of hundreds of "essential" (every darn thing is essential to hear them tell it) foods for just minimal subsistance.
Well I don't. Never will. I eat everything, but rarely and in small amounts, and with no regard to what it is or what it contains. My question is: do vitamin supplements compensate for a woefully limited intake of pretty much everything?
After you answer that, I'll explain to you what that hinged jaw of yours is really for. :)
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French report suggests that vegetarians suffer from hot dog defiency.
LUKES RULES!
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Wait... people thought hot dogs were healthy before this?
I just ate them because they taste so damn good.
If you are a vegetarian because of the moral issues what does one do if you where a Shinto vegetarian? I mean Shinto religion believes that everything has a soul, even rocks and plants so eating that salad is akin to eating a bowl of people.
Also I have read reports that when broccoli is harvested the plant sends an electric signal through its cell structure that is very similiar to a scream of agony. So what there?
If you are just vegetarian becuase you are trying to be healthy well then that is great. I too, eat a lot less meat than I did growing up in my meat at every meal family.
BUT, I won't give up my addicition to Kosher Franks!!! Long live the weiner!!!
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I won't say you are what you eat Chris. No, I won't say that...
End broccoli brutality NOW!
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I like turtles but I dont eat them... (sarcasim over) UofA football team the other trampled on meat. Oops one more.
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A Twelve Pack of beer, and a pack of cigarettes a day works for me...
Yeah, I will die way before the health nuts, but, boy, I enjoy EVERY day of my life, and don't stress out about diet, lifestyle, or obesity.
Memory refresher....don't you all remember when they said, eggs, coffee, bacon, red meat, fried foods, and on, and on and on, was bad for your body?
Live pure....you will DIE just like I will someday, and hopefully it won't be in a nursing home, because you lived to be 125 years old!
Best print I saw in a long time was a woman sitting over her birthday cake celebrating 100 years, and lighting a cigarrete off the candle....
You go girl!
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Hot Dogs, the angus part of the cow..
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Every time I eat a Pat's, my colon just giggles, then comes the pause that refreshes.
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Belly Up, your minimal intake of food is actually good according to more Eastern thoughts on eating as well as Western pioneers in thought like Dr. Dean Ornish. Most people eat too much, period (at least in this country).
As for supplements, there are many camps on that, but I do take some supps but mainly herbs and green food.
Chris J. you have an interesting point (at least to me personally) in regard to all objects being forms of life. I hear you on that. Where do we draw the line? I sure don't know. In regard to humane treatment of animals, I think that it is of value because we have some clue as to obvious suffering and we should strive to honor and respect life a little more. Like I personally find it interesting when pro-life people eat a lot of meat and don't even care whether or not the animal lived in humane conditions. If you're pro-life, shouldn't that kind of go all the way around?
My concerns with vegetarianism, and I am passionate over it, are that people can live a healthier life if they choose to. Our friend Mark who enjoys his beer has a wonderful point. If you are enjoying, that is yours and it should not be taken from you especially if you are ok with the possibility of certain health issues (or not) in the future. I toast our friend Mark in his candor. But health care is highly over rated (and over priced) so I like the possibilites I am given with food/lifestyle choices.
Another issue is that the meat industry loads the animals with hormones and antibiotics, we are seeing young people mature sooner and a resistance to antibiotics in part due to the horrible conditions the animals are subjected to and hence the need for medication.
In regard to the treatment of the animals, if we had to kill our meat, we would most likely all eat less meat for several reasons. At the very least the animal may have had a chance at enjoying life before their death. Something we all hope for - our friend Mark puts it well. Our friend Chris has valid points with plants, but I hope for the best. That which I can at least seem to understand I try to do right by.
The more freaky aspect of meat is the contribution to global warming. In part do to scalping of land and forrest for grazing, in part due to all that methane. . . I'd rather not feel guilty about driving my car in the rain or on a super hot day than eat meat. (of course, I'm a vegetarian. . .)
World hunger could have strides made to help with far less beef consumption - I think most people would gladly cut back on some meat if they could help to save lives.
On more esoteric levels I think that mindlessly eating pre-slaughtered animals and consuming their adrenaline along with the energy of the action can contribute to unrest within individual and possibly more anger and violence. I know I'll loose a lot of people on that one, but it's my opinion.
Lastly, I think that the add sounds dumb. I hate that a big stride was made to make vegetarians look like drama queens and idiots. So, as much of a platform (or soap box) as I take, just because I believe in something and hope to help people with my enthusiasm, I don't care for slamming the truth with high drama. Shame on that commercial producer.
Oh, dear. . .I just got it. This advert was about weiners and I mentioned the jaw function. . .get the joke now. . .
Cheers and best wishes to all my friends.
V-
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Wow, Levi, the link was stunning. I can't believe that people could not be moved by it. Thank you for sharing. I don't see a lot of difference in the behavior on that film and the people who torture other humans. How would people feel about eating the remains of tortured human beings? At least their flesh could provide nourishment to hungry people. We really have to learn to love and respect all life if we really want peace.
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Peter, Hitler ate sausage - hardly a vegetarian. No one gets veneral disease from being vegetarian. . . I won't follow through on the thought. . .anyway, the Hitler veggy thing is just another urban legend. He did toy with the idea but didn't follow through. Regardless, bad people come in all varieties.
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I grew up in a town with a slaughterhouse, and as a kid, walked by it every time I went to the river to fish.
I will agree with the vegetarians on one point. If Suzy Sixpack had any idea where her supermarket meat came from and how it got there, there would be far more vegetarians around.
I don't have that problem, because I harvest and butcher my own meat. It is killed humanely, and honored for the chase (the first thing I eat is the heart). And then the meat is cut, cleaned and processed as it should be.
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Vegetarians are entitled to their beliefs and lifestyle. For them, it is a good thing.
However, the more radical and vocal among them remind me of the religious right zealots, or Jehovah's Witness, and my opinion of their penchant for trying to foist their beliefs on everyone else is not high.
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I just went to the Nimbus comments and everyone is pretty happy over there. Maybe everyone on this page should just have a beer and nibble on some nuts.
Don, good for you. You know what you like and live your choices out. More people should follow their hearts as such.
Hopefully, as I did post a lot, you don't consider me a radical. I just saw so many wacked comments on this issue that I posted a lot of my thoughts. There are a lot of people out there who toy with the idea and could benefit health-wise, but they are put off by negative attention that vegetarianism gets.
Raises your glasses and toast the happiness that beer seems to bring, maybe that's where it's at considering how no one slams anyone over beer.
Cheers to all!
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Victoria,
I don't sweat the small stuff. You have made some seriously valid points today, and as you can tell, I have no problem with that.
As I posted earlier, I tried a meatless diet for six months to try and enhance my running performance. It had no moral component, just a physiological one.
Keep up with your beliefs. It is part of what makes you you.
and cheers
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Thanks Don! Best to you as well.
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To all of the vegans out there...
Good for you, just remember to take your vitamin supplements!
Read the labels carefully though, they may contain animal fat!
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funny thing is most PETA fanatics love the "hot dog" and hate their colon.
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Does relish on my hotdog count as a vegetable?
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